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welcome everyone to a very special

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episode of summer in the skies i know i

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call every

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episode special but i really really mean

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it this time because i'm speaking

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to what a lot of you may know is my

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the man who got me into this field this

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crazy field of ufology

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and i've never looked back and uh on a

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personal note i meet with this guy

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almost once a month in new york city pre

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pandemic

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when we would go to a diner drink coffee

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for hours on end and just chat about

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everything from

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ufos to to theater which is another huge

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thing that he and i both have in common

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we grew up in the theater world uh and

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then we caught the ufo bug

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so we kind of went the opposite way with

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that one but uh

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he is a soul brother in so many ways to

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me

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and i'm so honored to bring him on today

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just for a chat as if we were in the

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diner having coffee

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and talking so i really think you're

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gonna enjoy this and i'm so honored

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to bring back to the show once again

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peter robbins how you doing brother

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hi ryan good uh as good as anybody

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i guess exactly

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which is what we're gonna i think tackle

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in this conversation you know the uh the

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covid elephant in the room uh we're

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living in

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crazy times uh politically uh

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healthcare wise uh the planet even

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and it seems like everything's kind of

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and um that's tough it's tough

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everyone's scared everyone's on edge

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but um to find times like this to just

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sit down and talk i think is what really

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is going to do a lot of good for a lot

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of people so if we can just talk today

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and distract people for a couple hours

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to talk ufos

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and everything in between i think uh

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provided something for the public and uh

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i i hope that um

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people can appreciate this as much as i

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have i have having you here so

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um let's let's let's face that head on

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how are you doing personally as a an

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as a ufologist in these really really

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i moved out some years ago because the

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realtors basically won

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basic quality of life that i wanted

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public speaker it's a great way

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to live your life but not a great way to

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and i now live as you know

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uh and have my conversations with is a

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so if every once in a while i go wow

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or please excuse me it's just a

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in farm country i get my water from

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a spring under the house i'm a good cook

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who is concerned about themselves and

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very thoughtful about or really

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gives a blank about those that come

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and for others of us that's very

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to be as good as shepherds as we can in

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our own lives

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and to if we can't leave the world a

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little better than when we

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got here uh when we leave it to at least

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not damage it anymore than it is

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and god knows it is yeah

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that divide uh you know and we see it

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peter is uh

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being like i'm never gonna take that or

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it's all a plan to uh you know to track

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early science fiction books so um

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um this information age we live in where

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are on right now or facebook or or

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you know give our records about not

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development in the world where uh we're

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unnatural and it's not illogical

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history is defined

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with little if anything to back them up

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of separating theology from government

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of human endeavor and one of them is

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anti-intellectualism and i understand it

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there are those of us who have been

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lucky enough for any number of reasons

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perhaps with a degree or a doctorate

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i happen to have a bfa a bachelor of

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their basic bachelor's degree it's

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a four-year course of study

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for me um it took me 15 years

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three years of art school uh a break

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six or seven years of night school um i

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can't say that that degree has

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augmented my life financially i'm proud

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to have it

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um and i'm proud of the knowledge that

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came with it

293
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but for some people all of a sudden

294
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or not even all of a sudden you're an

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elitist

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who do you think you are having your

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degree when i'm a blue collar worker

298
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you use language in a way that i find a

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little

300
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effective uh anybody that talks like you

301
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do is somebody i don't trust

302
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you're a northeasterner um you read

303
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books um

304
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i i don't have the time or uh the luxury

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of

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job to keep

307
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and in the same way that

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politically we are driven against each

309
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other

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and made to see the differences and the

311
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differences are augmented

312
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and you are the other and i don't

313
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understand you

314
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you are the enemy so i stand against

315
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everything that i think and believe that

316
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you stand for

317
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what it comes down to though and this is

318
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where it gets dangerous i think

319
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is my belief based on

320
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what i think i know or that i feel i can

321
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have an opinion on

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even if i don't understand fully

323
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without really any evidence to back it

324
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up

325
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is worth all of your years of formal

326
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education

327
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or work

328
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in a field like law or medicine

329
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or psychology and my opinion is just as

330
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valuable as yours

331
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no that's not really true

332
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i understand where it comes from

333
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but here we are in a country

334
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where the wildest conspiracies

335
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are often put forward by the people with

336
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the most power

337
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and it's a way to keep us all

338
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off balance at each other's throats

339
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mistrusting of the people who

340
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we feel we're different from

341
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i don't think we've been in a problem as

342
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dramatic as this in this country since

343
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the 1860s perhaps the 1850s

344
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and that resulted in a horrific war

345
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where a lot of americans killed a lot of

346
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other americans

347
00:14:55,350 --> 00:14:51,760
and we need to find

348
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common ground um up until

349
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15 years ago or so

350
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american government no maybe longer now

351
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um took to heart

352
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the idea that we are a nation of

353
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different people

354
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and it wasn't about imposing our view

355
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on those whose views we opposed

356
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it was about finding common ground and

357
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working it out as well as we could and

358
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somewhere along the line in our

359
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lifetimes

360
00:15:29,430 --> 00:15:27,680
that changed it became like sports

361
00:15:33,509 --> 00:15:29,440
winning is everything

362
00:15:36,629 --> 00:15:33,519
party is more important than um

363
00:15:39,829 --> 00:15:36,639
your constituents and the constitution

364
00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:39,839
you swear allegiance to the leader

365
00:15:43,670 --> 00:15:41,360
rather than the constitution of the

366
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united states these are terrible

367
00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:44,639
concepts

368
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and uh they're fascistic in nature

369
00:15:52,150 --> 00:15:50,240
and we need to get back on track it's

370
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one of the reasons

371
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that even though for some people it

372
00:15:58,230 --> 00:15:56,480
might seem disconnected

373
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that the work that we're doing in the

374
00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:00,320
field that we're doing it in

375
00:16:07,110 --> 00:16:03,360
is so vitally important

376
00:16:08,310 --> 00:16:07,120
the implications of truly anomalous ufo

377
00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:08,320
phenomena

378
00:16:18,550 --> 00:16:16,389
has the potential to bring people much

379
00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:18,560
closer together

380
00:16:24,870 --> 00:16:21,600
the idea of a space force

381
00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:24,880
for me was not built with

382
00:16:30,470 --> 00:16:29,040
um that idea in mind it's about

383
00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:30,480
you know we've gotten really good at

384
00:16:36,310 --> 00:16:33,120
killing each other on earth

385
00:16:41,189 --> 00:16:36,320
let's take it to the next level and

386
00:16:46,230 --> 00:16:44,230
actualizing uh say the script to

387
00:16:47,829 --> 00:16:46,240
uh the wonderfully entertaining film

388
00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:47,839
independence day

389
00:16:54,550 --> 00:16:51,440
and kick et's but good lord

390
00:16:56,150 --> 00:16:54,560
you know yeah good luck with that

391
00:16:58,389 --> 00:16:56,160
good luck with that well peter you bring

392
00:17:00,790 --> 00:16:58,399
up so many good points and you know

393
00:17:02,710 --> 00:17:00,800
while i don't while i tried very lightly

394
00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:02,720
with politics on this show

395
00:17:06,230 --> 00:17:04,640
um for one reason and i think you

396
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:06,240
already brought up a point

397
00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:09,520
is that this topic of ufos supersedes

398
00:17:16,390 --> 00:17:12,959
everything when it comes to politics

399
00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:16,400
it's bigger as can possibly imagine

400
00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:18,480
and i i think you're right in terms of

401
00:17:23,429 --> 00:17:20,640
something like uh space force

402
00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:23,439
uh being you know well it might seem

403
00:17:26,309 --> 00:17:25,280
exciting that we're gonna go beyond the

404
00:17:29,990 --> 00:17:26,319
stars

405
00:17:31,830 --> 00:17:30,000
very romantic yeah you know a romantic

406
00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:31,840
end being something like star trek but

407
00:17:35,669 --> 00:17:32,880
in reality

408
00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:35,679
it's like you said it's a new branch of

409
00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:36,720
the military

410
00:17:42,470 --> 00:17:40,000
it's a way to weaponize space and um

411
00:17:43,110 --> 00:17:42,480
that idea of always being at war with

412
00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:43,120
something

413
00:17:48,390 --> 00:17:46,080
the war on drugs the war on poverty it

414
00:17:50,390 --> 00:17:48,400
already gives this mentality of

415
00:17:52,630 --> 00:17:50,400
we're fighting against something when in

416
00:17:53,909 --> 00:17:52,640
reality we should be trying to solve

417
00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:53,919
those problems

418
00:17:57,669 --> 00:17:56,320
and uh i think the other good point you

419
00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:57,679
bring up is

420
00:18:00,870 --> 00:18:00,000
something like this topic could bring us

421
00:18:03,270 --> 00:18:00,880
closer

422
00:18:04,470 --> 00:18:03,280
together someone like ronald reagan

423
00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:04,480
bringing this up at the

424
00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:07,760
the un at one point um i

425
00:18:11,270 --> 00:18:10,080
for one have very different political

426
00:18:13,350 --> 00:18:11,280
beliefs from

427
00:18:14,549 --> 00:18:13,360
many of our viewers and listeners out

428
00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:14,559
there um

429
00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:17,200
we all do we all have our own beliefs

430
00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:18,000
our own

431
00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:21,760
uh you know values and principles but uh

432
00:18:27,669 --> 00:18:25,280
i think what we need right now is a

433
00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:27,679
common ground like you said rather than

434
00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:28,799
dividing

435
00:18:32,710 --> 00:18:31,280
uh what do we have in common and i

436
00:18:35,350 --> 00:18:32,720
remember having a

437
00:18:36,310 --> 00:18:35,360
very heated argument with a fellow

438
00:18:39,350 --> 00:18:36,320
colleague

439
00:18:40,549 --> 00:18:39,360
uh in the ufo field about politics to

440
00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:40,559
the point where like

441
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:42,880
we refused to talk to one another and i

442
00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:44,640
think both of us took that moment to be

443
00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:46,240
like wait a minute

444
00:18:49,830 --> 00:18:49,120
we've been friends and colleagues for a

445
00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:49,840
decade

446
00:18:53,669 --> 00:18:51,760
why are we letting this one moment in

447
00:18:56,789 --> 00:18:53,679
time define the rest of our

448
00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:56,799
working relationship for presumably the

449
00:19:00,870 --> 00:18:58,160
rest of our lives

450
00:19:01,669 --> 00:19:00,880
so we passed it out we talked about it

451
00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:01,679
and now we're

452
00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:03,360
you know the best of friends again even

453
00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:04,799
though we

454
00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:07,039
maybe didn't vote for the same person or

455
00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:08,320
we didn't uh

456
00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:10,640
have the same principles in mind when we

457
00:19:15,669 --> 00:19:12,320
voted for somebody

458
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:15,679
so uh yeah to jump in for a moment i

459
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:16,559
have to say

460
00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:20,320
um as somebody that is as partisan as

461
00:19:25,029 --> 00:19:21,840
the next person

462
00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:25,039
um i have a lot of admiration this may

463
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:27,840
surprise some people for our friends and

464
00:19:31,510 --> 00:19:29,919
colleagues in the field who have done

465
00:19:34,870 --> 00:19:31,520
their best

466
00:19:38,150 --> 00:19:34,880
to not bring their political beliefs

467
00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:38,160
into their public presence i don't have

468
00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:44,710
i've lost friends i've lost people who

469
00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:46,559
have followed my work as a course of it

470
00:19:50,310 --> 00:19:48,080
i think it's

471
00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:50,320
it's it's rough at the same time i don't

472
00:19:55,909 --> 00:19:51,679
know anybody

473
00:19:59,350 --> 00:19:55,919
that works harder to maintain

474
00:20:02,630 --> 00:19:59,360
friendships with many people

475
00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:02,640
whose political views i disagree with

476
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:06,400
but who are friends and who were friends

477
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:07,200
before

478
00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:10,000
things began to change dramatically four

479
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:10,720
years ago

480
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:14,000
or so and we struggle

481
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:17,679
but you can reduce your life

482
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:20,799
to a core of people who you simply

483
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:22,720
agree with and everybody else is the

484
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:24,559
enemy or

485
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:27,840
stay in the real world and try to keep

486
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:29,120
finding common ground with your

487
00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:30,400
differences

488
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:34,720
argue debate put forward ideas to

489
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:35,919
discuss

490
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:39,280
um i hope i never

491
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:41,840
reach a point in my life where i'm

492
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:44,480
incapable of changing my mind

493
00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:47,360
ufology is a perfect example where you

494
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:50,240
know your views change and grow

495
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:53,360
adjust with the information that you

496
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:55,039
have access to

497
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:58,799
and other people's ability to put

498
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:01,200
forward

499
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:04,640
theses and constructs

500
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:06,720
that challenge your way of thinking i i

501
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:09,200
think that's incumbent on all of us and

502
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:12,880
it's a wonderful part of of what we do

503
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:15,039
um and things are growing and changing

504
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,880
dramatically in this field over the last

505
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:18,720
decade and certainly over the last few

506
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:19,840
years

507
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:22,240
absolutely well let's talk about that i

508
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:22,880
mean

509
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:26,480
this new age of uh disclosure i guess

510
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:28,159
we'll call it which is such

511
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:31,039
a malleable word when it comes to ufos

512
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:32,159
uh but

513
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:35,840
we post 2017 we had

514
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:38,720
the new york times covering ufos unlike

515
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:41,120
ever before whether it was with uh the

516
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:43,679
incredible work being done by uh cheryl

517
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,000
costa from my hometown of syracuse

518
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:48,159
new york being highlighted in the new

519
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,159
york times months prior to the

520
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:53,280
big bombshell article uh as it were

521
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,200
and then that article coming out about

522
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:57,440
the secret pentagon ufo program

523
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:59,039
i mean peter i don't know about you but

524
00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:00,720
for me everything changed

525
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,480
after those two articles hit the new

526
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,960
york times and we seem to be living in a

527
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:06,000
new age of

528
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:09,120
acceptance of this topic like never

529
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:09,679
before

530
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:12,720
so i have to ask you you know since you

531
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:13,200
you've

532
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:17,280
disclosure

533
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:19,520
throughout decades and decades of this

534
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:20,320
field

535
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:22,960
uh are we living in a new age of

536
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:25,120
disclosure are we any closer

537
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:29,120
to finding the answers we've sought for

538
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:32,240
god centuries now at this point um where

539
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:35,120
do you stand as a ufo researcher in 2020

540
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:36,640
i guess is my way to kind of

541
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:40,080
encapsulate all of that well i'll start

542
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:48,310
for me one thing that grew up with

543
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:51,520
the very beginnings of the advent of

544
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:55,520
the modern age of flying saucers

545
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:58,080
terminology changed in 56 to

546
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:00,320
unidentified flying objects

547
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:02,799
terminology changed within the past half

548
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:04,000
dozen years ago

549
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:07,360
or so to uap's unidentified aerial

550
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:08,960
phenomena

551
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:12,720
that fear of ridicule

552
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:15,360
was hand in hand with all information

553
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:17,200
coming out and breaking

554
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:20,400
and i think i'm one of the few people

555
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:24,480
in the work who ultra focused on this to

556
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:25,200
the point

557
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:33,510
it became a really interesting question

558
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:36,080
for me and an overriding one to some

559
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:37,120
degree

560
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:40,159
more so than the phenomena itself

561
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:44,960
um was how did this happen that

562
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:48,320
this idea got wired up with these

563
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:52,400
truly unexplained aerial phenomena

564
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:56,799
that if you took them seriously

565
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:00,480
and you were in any way public about it

566
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:04,240
either as a regular citizen or

567
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:07,440
a researcher or writer or scientist

568
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:11,279
or a psychologist or whatever

569
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:15,520
that you were mentally unhinged

570
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:18,720
had you know a psychological issues

571
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:21,200
were a lonely person looking for

572
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:22,320
attention

573
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:26,320
that you wanted to fool people

574
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:28,880
that you uh saw it as a way that you

575
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:29,520
would

576
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:32,559
make money or become famous it's

577
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:36,080
also counterintuitive if

578
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:39,360
you know you and i grew up as neighbors

579
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:41,919
and one afternoon i'm out walking my dog

580
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,559
and

581
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:44,320
i see you mowing your lawn i say ryan

582
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:45,840
the most interesting thing happened to

583
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,559
me

584
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,320
last night or yesterday afternoon i was

585
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:50,799
out in the yard playing with the kids or

586
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:53,360
doing some work on the house or you know

587
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,039
going to the museum

588
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:57,440
and i looked up and i saw this thing or

589
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:58,559
things

590
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:01,520
and it or they behaved in such a manner

591
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:03,840
and they had such and such an appearance

592
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,640
that they were unlike not just unlike

593
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:08,159
anything i had ever seen in the sky

594
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:09,120
before

595
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:12,960
but they were moving in ways that defied

596
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:16,240
my conception as a layman of every law

597
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:19,679
of aerodynamics that i could ever

598
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:20,880
imagine

599
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:24,640
in an intelligent

600
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:27,440
unaffected by ridicule world you might

601
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:29,120
say or think

602
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:31,200
gee that's interesting i wonder what

603
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:33,039
peter saw too

604
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:35,279
but that's not the way it evolved and

605
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,840
there's a very good reason for that

606
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:39,600
and what i'm fairly schooled in which is

607
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:42,559
that in the summer of 1947

608
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:46,480
the american people were the subject

609
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:50,240
the victims of a disinformation campaign

610
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:53,919
that was brilliant and so successful

611
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:56,080
that were only shaking off its reins for

612
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,000
the last few years

613
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,039
and it had more to do with

614
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:03,520
coverage in the popular press because

615
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:06,159
let's face it 1947

616
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:10,480
and for some years after the media

617
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:13,679
was print publications primarily

618
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:14,640
newspapers

619
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,679
and to a growing degree radio now it's a

620
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:18,960
lot of stuff

621
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:21,279
but we bought it our parents bought it

622
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:23,200
our grandparents bought it

623
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:27,919
and that was it end of game

624
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:30,640
i ended up starting the late 80s

625
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:32,080
spending more and more time at the new

626
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:34,159
york times newspaper morgue

627
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:36,080
why the new york times well i'll give

628
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:38,799
you the flagship of american media

629
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,559
in the 40s and still is a paper with a

630
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:44,159
lot of clout

631
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:45,600
whatever your feelings about its

632
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:47,840
politics and they've changed over the

633
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:48,960
years

634
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:53,120
and i originally started to

635
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:56,480
work through these old ledgers

636
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:59,120
checking out every possibility of

637
00:27:02,950 --> 00:26:59,760
coverage

638
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,960
of this subject writing down the code

639
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:04,799
numbers bringing them to the librarian

640
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:07,039
getting the microfiche

641
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:10,240
going to the microfilm readers

642
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:11,919
finding the article putting in my

643
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:14,240
quarter printing out the article putting

644
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,840
it in a notebook

645
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:17,760
set it aside busy with other projects

646
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:19,279
came back to it some years later when

647
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,200
everything was digitized

648
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:23,520
i'm i may be the only person in the

649
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:24,880
world that has read

650
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:28,960
every single article editorial

651
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:31,600
letter to the editor photo caption

652
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:32,799
having anything to do

653
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:35,440
with ufos since 1947 by the new york

654
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:36,480
times

655
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,520
um i did it partly as because that's

656
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:41,360
what i do

657
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:43,760
and i wanted to see if i could find a

658
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:44,880
pattern

659
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:48,080
and after several years i had these

660
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:52,399
220 or so printouts and i put them in

661
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:54,159
chronological order and i started to

662
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:55,919
read through them

663
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:58,399
all of them every word and then i did it

664
00:28:03,430 --> 00:27:58,960
again

665
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:03,440
artist um

666
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:05,120
my life is to come at things from

667
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:06,640
outside of the box

668
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,679
i i think having a background in science

669
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:11,279
or psychology

670
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:13,039
or criminal investigation they're

671
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:14,720
wonderful things to

672
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:18,399
bring into the world of ufo studies

673
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:21,360
but being an artist has its own benefits

674
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:21,840
and

675
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:25,120
at one of those epiphany 3 30 in the

676
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:25,600
morning

677
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:28,159
15 watt bulb going off over your head

678
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,960
moments

679
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:31,200
i saw the pattern and it didn't matter

680
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:32,720
whether it was a little piece that was a

681
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:35,120
paragraph or a front page article

682
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:38,159
it was report this is what somebody says

683
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:39,600
they said

684
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:43,279
now let us explain to you what it really

685
00:28:51,789 --> 00:28:44,240
was

686
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,799
blah blah blah all of these

687
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:53,679
pseudo-pseudoscientific things trotted

688
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:54,640
out

689
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:57,679
often quotations from unnamed

690
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:59,919
authorities a psychologist of good

691
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:00,799
reputation

692
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:09,590
and we're seeing it now in american

693
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:10,480
politics

694
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:13,360
you tell a lie often enough loud enough

695
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,799
and insistent enough

696
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,559
and you start to wear people down it

697
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,240
worked great for the national socialist

698
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,399
in germany in the 1930s

699
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,799
and after a while a percentage and then

700
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:24,240
a respectable percentage of the

701
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:25,200
population

702
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,760
buys it and you hit a critical mass and

703
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:29,679
when you get to that point

704
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,480
to express a view counter to that can

705
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:34,640
make you a social pariah

706
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:43,110
in 2017 as you noted a series of

707
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:44,480
articles first in the

708
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:47,919
uh new york um uh times

709
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:50,480
and then spreading out into the world of

710
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:54,720
broadcast media

711
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:58,480
changed the mindset i didn't trust it

712
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:00,799
even a year into it i was waiting for

713
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:02,399
the other shoe to fall

714
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:05,840
um i've spoken about nothing but

715
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:08,960
the origins of ridicule i'm

716
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:11,120
you know kind of a demi scholar on that

717
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:13,360
little tiny area

718
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:16,399
of ufo studies and all of a sudden

719
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:19,200
giving talks like that um kind of put me

720
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:19,840
out of work

721
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:22,559
in that department because things really

722
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:24,159
had changed you know they're still

723
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,720
interesting information historically but

724
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:28,480
they're no longer as relevant as they

725
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:29,360
were

726
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:33,279
and um the proof of it is that

727
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,919
not only are more and more people

728
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,840
taking the subject seriously people who

729
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,440
had never even given any thought

730
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,440
earlier or never expressed any thought

731
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:45,679
for understandable reasons

732
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:48,880
that you can go to

733
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:52,159
fox or cnbc

734
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:55,279
or cnn and you see the same

735
00:31:03,830 --> 00:30:58,640
respectable responsible

736
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:03,840
reporting also i think what we're seeing

737
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,480
just this past year if it had not been

738
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:08,080
for the pandemic

739
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,640
government pronouncements announcements

740
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:12,880
um and confirmations by we'll call the

741
00:31:18,430 --> 00:31:15,039
world of establishment science

742
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:18,440
has made this a banner year for

743
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:21,919
confirmations by figures organizations

744
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:25,519
agencies so to say an authority that

745
00:31:32,110 --> 00:31:29,279
to quote the general nathan

746
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:32,120
m twinings memorandum from september of

747
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:33,679
1947

748
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:36,720
the phenomenon reported is real

749
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:39,760
and not visionary or fictitious this is

750
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:41,679
a huge

751
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:46,559
change in the landscape at the same time

752
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,799
we're seeing more and more questionable

753
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:50,320
information

754
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:53,440
that's hyper uh

755
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:56,559
sensational um most recently

756
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:59,120
pronouncements coming out of israeli

757
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:00,320
officials

758
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:03,200
uh i'm so happy you bring this up yeah

759
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:04,000
uh

760
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:11,440
space security chief i i'm not too

761
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:14,240
clear um exactly the position he held

762
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,720
but

763
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:16,480
yeah i'd love to get your opinions on

764
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:18,159
that because that's the latest thing

765
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:18,880
yeah

766
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:21,519
this is only broken in the last week two

767
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:22,320
weeks

768
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:24,960
um the figure that we're talking about

769
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:25,440
is

770
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:33,029
but who had access to the kind of

771
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:34,559
information

772
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:37,760
that one can argue would give have given

773
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:39,519
him access to

774
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,919
some of the darker secrets of what we're

775
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:43,440
talking about here

776
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:45,919
and he has made some very sensational

777
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:46,880
claims

778
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:50,799
now for anyone

779
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:53,840
who is interested in the subject

780
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:56,960
either as a serious student casually

781
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:57,600
interested

782
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:01,440
or as a professional you have to be very

783
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:04,640
careful i've learned over the decades

784
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:08,320
to understand your own dynamics

785
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:11,760
and for me a lot of it goes back to that

786
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,640
poster on your wall behind you that

787
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:16,320
simple text of i

788
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:19,760
want to believe governs so

789
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:23,279
much in this work and it doesn't matter

790
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:26,080
whether or not you are a super famous

791
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:27,760
ufologist with books out

792
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:30,399
in documentaries and you know speaking

793
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:32,480
of conferences around the world and you

794
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:33,440
are now

795
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:37,600
a legitimate personality you're um

796
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,760
you're famous you know um at least in

797
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:41,279
some macrocosm

798
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,640
um whether it's conscious or unconscious

799
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,080
you may have an agenda

800
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:48,240
based on what you believe what you don't

801
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:50,960
want believe what you hope is true

802
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:54,320
what you tell yourself must be true

803
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,600
and that's a problem for me the dividing

804
00:34:03,350 --> 00:33:59,519
line is often

805
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,360
and as a writer and a reader

806
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:06,480
and somebody that loves theater and film

807
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:08,159
i'm really conscious of the way that

808
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:11,440
people deploy language

809
00:34:18,829 --> 00:34:15,040
and for somebody to say there are

810
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:18,839
56 different alien races visiting this

811
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:20,000
planet

812
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:24,639
for me that's it i turn you off

813
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:27,839
there is no way that you can know as an

814
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:28,720
empirical

815
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:32,079
fact that can be established in any

816
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,280
rational way

817
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,520
i don't care how deep your contact is

818
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:37,440
within the american intelligence

819
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:40,800
agency or your alleged contact is

820
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:44,000
how can that person or that agency know

821
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:45,280
for sure

822
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:48,079
if you were a combination of the head of

823
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:50,000
the nsa the president of the united

824
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:52,000
states the president of russia

825
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,040
um uh all of the

826
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:57,680
100 most intelligent scientists studying

827
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:58,560
this

828
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:01,680
and the supreme leaders of 18 alien

829
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:02,640
races

830
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,079
all rolled into one being you could not

831
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,960
know that however if somebody says i

832
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:10,000
believe

833
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:13,280
or i think or my best evidence

834
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:16,640
points to what i feel is

835
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:20,480
i'm still listening when you say it is

836
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:25,359
as opposed to it may be

837
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:27,440
you better have your evidence on the

838
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:29,680
table for me to look at

839
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,680
the same thing for trying to apply

840
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,520
moral platitudes to these other

841
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:37,680
intelligences bearing in mind

842
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:40,000
that when we talk about aliens a term

843
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:41,200
i've never been

844
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:44,320
very comfortable with i you know i end

845
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:45,520
up usually calling them other

846
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:46,720
intelligences

847
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:49,280
we may well be we were overwhelmingly

848
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:50,960
likely dealing with

849
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:54,079
a myriad of beings

850
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:58,160
of presences from parts unknown from

851
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:01,839
out in the cosmos from deep space

852
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:05,920
from one dimension over and it's all

853
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:09,599
still quite theoretical we can establish

854
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:12,320
certain things as well as we can in my

855
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:13,040
case

856
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:17,040
i entered this field focused on

857
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,720
what happened to my sister and who was

858
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:20,400
responsible for it

859
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:24,480
and early on in my ufological life

860
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:27,920
developed some very special friendships

861
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:28,960
one with

862
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:31,599
another painter who was also becoming

863
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:33,440
very interested in this subject

864
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:35,520
right around the time that i was

865
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:37,680
literally within a year

866
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:40,320
and that cement that friendship cemented

867
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:41,200
and became

868
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:44,000
a a 35-year long friendship and work

869
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:44,880
relationship

870
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:48,079
with bud hopkins and i worked as his

871
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:50,480
at his side as his assistant for many

872
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:51,680
years

873
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:55,680
privy to several hundred

874
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:58,160
individual cases that he investigated

875
00:37:02,870 --> 00:36:59,839
that i assisted with

876
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:02,880
and met many many many of these

877
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,839
extraordinarily decent people from every

878
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:07,280
walk of life and every kind of

879
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:08,960
background

880
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:11,280
and it took me some years because i was

881
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:12,400
really living in

882
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,920
um kind of my own horse-blinded world of

883
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:17,520
working with him

884
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:20,320
to be able to say we seem to be dealing

885
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:23,440
with one type

886
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:25,119
of these beings here the ones that are

887
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:27,599
involved in this behavior

888
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:31,040
and either look like or appear like to

889
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:32,240
us

890
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:35,440
in this kind of physical presence more

891
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:36,000
often than

892
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:39,520
not in our work the ubiquitous gray

893
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:46,150
when we start to think in terms of good

894
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:47,520
and bad

895
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:49,760
i i think it's a non-starter there are

896
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:51,040
people who

897
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:54,560
this is the core of what they are about

898
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,839
in the work all aliens are good and

899
00:38:01,270 --> 00:38:00,079
we've got to stop the negative forces on

900
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:01,280
earth from

901
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:04,240
you know continuing to present them as a

902
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:05,040
threat

903
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:06,800
because they want us to join the

904
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:09,440
federation and enter into

905
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:11,760
the greater world of intelligences out

906
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:13,280
there and we've just got to get past

907
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:14,800
this and convince people

908
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:17,520
kind of a contacty sort of you know

909
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:18,000
hippies

910
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:19,599
attitude in a way and then there are

911
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:22,079
those who say no they're all bad

912
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:23,920
or enough of them are bad that we have

913
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:25,520
to arm ourselves against them

914
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,800
develop new technologies um

915
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,480
my mind flashes back to one of my

916
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:32,720
favorite classic twilight zone episodes

917
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:34,240
that ends with that simple

918
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:37,040
sentence it's a cookbook most of you

919
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:37,680
know

920
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:40,960
what i mean i i think again

921
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,079
i think that they as a

922
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:46,400
a huge group as inclusive and as

923
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:48,160
different in their ways as we human

924
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:50,720
beings are very possibly

925
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,240
represent a variety of views i think

926
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:57,119
some of them may certainly have our best

927
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:58,400
intentions in mind

928
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:01,040
and to whatever degree they process what

929
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:02,640
we'd call emotions

930
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:06,560
um are very sad about

931
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,359
the fact that we are still even with our

932
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:11,760
advances in technology

933
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:14,240
neolithic in dealing with each other

934
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:16,320
here's the line drawn in the dirt

935
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,599
you are the other if you cross the line

936
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:21,359
i will hit you with my stick and i will

937
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:22,640
kill you why

938
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:24,240
because you're on my side of the line

939
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:26,560
now and this is what we're still doing

940
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:26,960
and i

941
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:30,960
i don't say mankind here

942
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:34,079
because um that includes women

943
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:37,200
and it's just my view that no woman came

944
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:37,920
up with this

945
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:40,720
attitude men have run the world fairly

946
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:41,599
miserably

947
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:44,960
for the last 7 000 or so years

948
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,000
4 000 whatever and

949
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:50,960
um not done a great job of it overall i

950
00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:52,320
would like to see a lot more women in

951
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:55,839
leadership positions here and abroad

952
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:59,359
but at the same time it may be both

953
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:01,040
things we may be somebody's graduate

954
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:03,520
experiment gone horribly wrong

955
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:05,920
and in order to get that grade corrected

956
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:07,599
things have to change here

957
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:11,599
other ones may see the same

958
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:14,160
they may have a particular attachment to

959
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:14,640
this

960
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:16,480
wonderful little blue-green piece of

961
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:19,520
dust floating through space

962
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:23,119
that maybe even equals that of many of

963
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,000
us human beings

964
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,160
that love our planet and are hurting

965
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:28,880
because it's a mess

966
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:33,359
in fact one can argue

967
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:36,240
that we are the infestation on the host

968
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:37,280
creature

969
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:40,240
we are the ones killing the host my

970
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,680
favorite heavy metal band the blue

971
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:43,520
oyster cult had a song years ago called

972
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:46,079
i am the one you warned me of

973
00:40:50,829 --> 00:40:48,800
nice headbanger uh but that's us human

974
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:50,839
beings

975
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,839
and this plant's going to be good for

976
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:55,200
nobody

977
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:56,880
if we keep going the way they're going

978
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:59,280
that we're going although arguably

979
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:02,000
if we kill ourselves off things over

980
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:03,760
time will rejuvenate

981
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:06,160
and can start again i think there are

982
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:07,599
people in the world that

983
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:11,839
um would like to see cataclysms come

984
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:14,480
under the hand of god based on their

985
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:16,079
religious beliefs

986
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:18,079
and not take responsibility for the fact

987
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:19,760
that we are contributing

988
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:22,640
to the disintegration of our atmosphere

989
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:23,200
and

990
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:27,359
all out

991
00:41:33,660 --> 00:41:30,720
um i don't think that

992
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:33,670
that's a very sensible attitude and

993
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,520
[Music]

994
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:37,599
we really join together on this again

995
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:39,520
i'm digressing

996
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:43,119
as far as disclosure goes i don't see

997
00:41:46,829 --> 00:41:45,280
at any given point for the foreseeable

998
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:46,839
future

999
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,000
that the head representative

1000
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:52,640
uh right now donald trump soon to be uh

1001
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:53,760
joe biden

1002
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:56,319
is gonna get to the podium and say my

1003
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,800
fellow americans it's my solemn duty to

1004
00:42:01,589 --> 00:42:00,000
inform you

1005
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,599
that we have been covering something up

1006
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:03,200
for bookbook

1007
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:05,119
who knows in a few years things could

1008
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:06,720
change very quickly

1009
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:08,000
a lot of people think it's going to be

1010
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,720
sooner but there's one thing to take

1011
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,160
into consideration here

1012
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:14,480
in terms of america this is where the

1013
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,079
cover-up started

1014
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:18,400
and that piece of sand that irritant

1015
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:19,520
that developed

1016
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:22,160
an allegorical pearl around it that

1017
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:23,359
became the core

1018
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:26,880
of our post-war national security state

1019
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:29,520
consult the work of my dear friend

1020
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,000
richard

1021
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:32,640
m dolan in ufos in the national security

1022
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:33,440
state

1023
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,520
two volumes published a third coming at

1024
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:37,040
us hopefully in the not too distant

1025
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:38,079
future

1026
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:41,200
that the whole national security state

1027
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:43,119
and armenia for secret keeping didn't

1028
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:44,240
begin with

1029
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:45,839
trying to protect our nuclear secrets

1030
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:48,480
from the soviets important as that was

1031
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:51,359
it began with covering this up and that

1032
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:52,000
means

1033
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:54,319
that every single president since and

1034
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,839
including harry truman

1035
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:57,760
is an unindicted co-conspirator and the

1036
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,160
greatest cover-up in human history

1037
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:02,400
and it doesn't matter what your party is

1038
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:03,359
presidents past

1039
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:06,480
presidents are very touchy about so

1040
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:10,000
labeling themselves like this

1041
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:14,240
it's a very elite club and

1042
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,640
again um as the president our current

1043
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,480
president is fond of saying one of my

1044
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:22,079
favorite quotes of his

1045
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:24,640
not that it's the most uh comforting is

1046
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:26,960
we'll see what happens

1047
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:30,640
it's happening

1048
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:33,200
disclosure is happening anyway it's

1049
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:34,880
happening as we speak

1050
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:37,440
it's happening as these myriad of

1051
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:39,200
developments have come down the road at

1052
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,160
us just

1053
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:43,200
in the past 10 months or so and it will

1054
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:45,040
continue to unravel

1055
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:48,960
uh you have groups working out there

1056
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:52,400
and it's a myriad of ufo-related

1057
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:53,680
organizations now

1058
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:56,960
some of them old school um

1059
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:00,640
more in the news ones now um like

1060
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:03,680
to the stars academy or free

1061
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,160
who are doing fascinating work i think

1062
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:08,640
and one of the things um

1063
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:12,960
uh that they point out is that

1064
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:16,240
compared to 30 years ago or so when

1065
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:17,440
let's say

1066
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:19,520
two-thirds of people that had abduction

1067
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:20,640
experiences

1068
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:28,079
as troubling to put it mildly

1069
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,000
that two-thirds of people that are

1070
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:32,240
making those reports now to responsible

1071
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:34,560
individuals and organizations

1072
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:37,839
are um talking about um what they've

1073
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:38,240
learned

1074
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:41,440
what they're gaining um as positive

1075
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:43,040
experiences

1076
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:46,640
is this a shift in their

1077
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:49,760
uh way of working is it a shift in our

1078
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:50,640
perception

1079
00:44:55,230 --> 00:44:52,960
of them based on more and more years of

1080
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:55,240
the subjects of ufos

1081
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:58,000
extraterrestriality truly anomalous

1082
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:01,440
beings from parts unknown embedding

1083
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,040
themselves so deeply

1084
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:05,839
in the social fabric of the world in the

1085
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:07,280
entertainment fabric and

1086
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,800
advertising and popular fiction

1087
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:12,319
that we can't get away from them you

1088
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,839
know if you're a parent with a little

1089
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:15,920
kid saturday morning cartoons often

1090
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,720
include

1091
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,400
a happy little alien rather than a

1092
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,200
dancing cow

1093
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:23,920
these things embed themselves is there

1094
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,119
an overriding

1095
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:27,760
agency doing their best to make it

1096
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:28,400
happen

1097
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:31,520
maybe maybe not if there was they can

1098
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:32,079
basically

1099
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:35,520
take a a nap now because

1100
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:38,640
it's happening on its own um i did

1101
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:40,880
research years ago and presented a

1102
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:43,359
number of papers on it of the influence

1103
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:46,079
of ufo and extraterrestrial imagery in

1104
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:47,839
popular advertising

1105
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:50,160
uh to see if i could get to the point of

1106
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:52,960
saying is this being engineered socially

1107
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:55,839
or is it simply the fact that you put a

1108
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:57,920
flying saucer in an alien and an ad to

1109
00:46:01,750 --> 00:46:00,480
sell a car or ice cream or a computer

1110
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:01,760
and people are going to look at it

1111
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:02,720
because they're interested in the

1112
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,760
subject

1113
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,760
either in a matter because they want to

1114
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:07,280
ridicule it or because they take it

1115
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:08,240
seriously

1116
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:13,119
and ascribe meaning to it anyway

1117
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,359
one thing about disclosure that hit me

1118
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:17,119
early this year

1119
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:20,400
and i i would say it was a really um

1120
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:23,680
a moment i'll never forget about the

1121
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,880
pandemic

1122
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:26,640
and i i put it out there just for you

1123
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:28,480
folks to think about

1124
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,480
is as somebody that's been thinking

1125
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,640
about disclosure for decades before it

1126
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,319
was called disclosure

1127
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:36,560
and what will be the impact on our world

1128
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:38,880
as we know it

1129
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:41,599
once it hits the fan once there is a

1130
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:42,000
critical

1131
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:45,200
mass of people who take it seriously

1132
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:48,079
enough so that they affect government

1133
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:48,720
industry

1134
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:52,560
popular thinking popular culture

1135
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:56,880
well on the weekend

1136
00:47:01,270 --> 00:47:00,079
of march 14th and 15th saturday and

1137
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,280
sunday

1138
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:03,680
i did my last public speaking job before

1139
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,839
self-isolating it was a small one-day

1140
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:06,960
conference

1141
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:10,000
in knoxville tennessee i flew out

1142
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:12,000
there on the friday flew back on the

1143
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:13,359
sunday gave my talk

1144
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:16,720
on the saturday and

1145
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,640
saturday afternoon i spoke with my

1146
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:20,319
sister who's a registered nurse

1147
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:22,000
practitioner

1148
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,200
who's been very involved in keeping

1149
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:27,359
track of all of the data as it's coming

1150
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:28,400
in

1151
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:34,640
and had you called me yesterday i would

1152
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,559
have insisted that you not go

1153
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:38,640
bearing in mind i'm calling on the 14th

1154
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:40,640
and the president declared natural uh

1155
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,240
a national emergency i believe on the

1156
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,640
16th and she said let me give you an

1157
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:46,720
idea of what may be coming down the pike

1158
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:46,960
at

1159
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:49,680
us over the next three months six months

1160
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:50,640
year

1161
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:53,760
call

1162
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:56,400
really rather shaken knowing that it was

1163
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:56,800
not

1164
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:59,440
definite but knowing that it could be

1165
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:00,079
and

1166
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:03,119
um the next day

1167
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:06,559
at uh a five hour stopover

1168
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:09,680
at dulles international airport

1169
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:12,800
i had a number of hours on what would

1170
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:14,720
have been a busy sunday travel day where

1171
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:17,040
i was the only person

1172
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:20,400
that i saw in five hours i probably saw

1173
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:22,480
two dozen people most of them work there

1174
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:24,640
and then half an hour or so before my

1175
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:25,599
flight

1176
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:27,040
you know a couple of dozen people came

1177
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:28,880
into my area

1178
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:31,760
and i sat there and at one point i just

1179
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:34,800
started to laugh

1180
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,480
because i realized sometimes in life

1181
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,800
fate taps you on the shoulder to try to

1182
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:42,880
remind you of something

1183
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:44,559
and you don't listen and then it does it

1184
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:46,319
again and you better listen and i

1185
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:47,440
thought

1186
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:51,520
i flew out to knoxville

1187
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:53,440
on friday the 13th and i'm flying back

1188
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:00,870
man is that not a sign i got home

1189
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:03,280
uh i made a shopping list starting in

1190
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,480
the airport

1191
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,720
i wanted to have everything in the house

1192
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:08,079
that i needed

1193
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:11,119
monday morning i went out tuesday

1194
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:14,079
wednesday i shopped like i was rummel's

1195
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:16,960
quartermaster about to invade egypt

1196
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:20,720
and on wednesday the 18th of march

1197
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:24,960
i self-isolated with my roommate the cat

1198
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,960
and that evening i was sitting and just

1199
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:28,400
thinking about everything that was

1200
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:31,599
spinning around us and i thought wait a

1201
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:32,960
minute

1202
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:36,079
i'm in a moment right here where

1203
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,680
i'm realizing something i've never

1204
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:39,359
really realized before

1205
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:42,000
no matter how earth-shaking any event

1206
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:44,319
that i've ever lived through

1207
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:49,040
9 11 the kennedy assassination anything

1208
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,960
these were dwarfed in a way by the fact

1209
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:54,240
that

1210
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:57,280
i could reasonably expect

1211
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:00,880
that almost everybody in the world

1212
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:04,800
at that moment that was awake

1213
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:07,200
more likely than not they were thinking

1214
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:09,280
variations on the same thing that i was

1215
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:10,480
thinking

1216
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:14,800
and i thought this feeling

1217
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:16,960
is part of what it's going to be like

1218
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:18,559
when disclosure

1219
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:22,960
is really here in no uncertain terms

1220
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:24,640
there will be those of us that said yeah

1221
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:26,079
i'm ready

1222
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,760
i've been expecting this i've been

1223
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:29,520
pushing for it

1224
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:33,119
but we have to remember in our wonderful

1225
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:34,079
isolated

1226
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,920
little world oh no keep it on

1227
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:39,520
i will be getting a professional

1228
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:42,720
lighting unit soon in the meantime

1229
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:45,760
um that we

1230
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:49,200
represent a very modest minority

1231
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,240
of the general population and especially

1232
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:54,480
for those good folks in the work

1233
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,520
who have been pushing for disclosure and

1234
00:51:02,230 --> 00:50:59,520
are anxious for it and want it

1235
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,240
and angry it's not here let's pull back

1236
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:04,160
for a moment and remember

1237
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:07,440
as ready as you think you are most of

1238
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:08,079
the people

1239
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:09,680
that you know that you see on the

1240
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:11,920
streets are not ready for it

1241
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:15,200
at all and those of us that are

1242
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:18,240
in the work that care about people

1243
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,720
and not just getting what we want on

1244
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,640
this level

1245
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,640
need to begin to think about how to

1246
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:26,880
apply what we're doing

1247
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:29,440
as spokespeople as researchers as

1248
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:30,960
investigators

1249
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:36,150
as disseminators of responsible

1250
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:38,000
information

1251
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:41,040
to reach beyond the people we almost

1252
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:41,920
always are all

1253
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:44,480
speaking to that has preoccupied me for

1254
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:46,640
the last few years how

1255
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:48,480
do we break out of this and reach a

1256
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:50,160
wider audience there are a handful of

1257
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:52,240
people in the work that have

1258
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:56,400
or have done it for a period of time um

1259
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:59,760
and that for me is our next big

1260
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:00,880
assignment

1261
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:03,119
it's we can keep talking to each other

1262
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:05,040
in more and more detailed and eloquent

1263
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:08,160
terms and with greater breakthroughs

1264
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:11,760
but we're talking to ourselves and

1265
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,119
we need to find ways to reach beyond it

1266
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,119
for me one of the things that i love to

1267
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:19,599
see with

1268
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:21,920
colleagues who have been around for you

1269
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:23,280
know many years

1270
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:25,599
and especially with people that are just

1271
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:27,440
getting into the work

1272
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:29,920
is before the pandemic and after the

1273
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:31,119
pandemic

1274
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,280
contacting local libraries and giving

1275
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:35,440
talks there

1276
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:38,720
that for me can never be understated i i

1277
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,400
grew up loving libraries

1278
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:42,160
i remember getting my first library card

1279
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:43,920
when i was seven years old

1280
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:45,839
and being so proud of it i've worked at

1281
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:47,839
libraries twice in my life

1282
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:50,880
um to help me make a living to put me

1283
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:52,160
through school

1284
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:55,920
and they are endangered

1285
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:59,200
um they're adapting but

1286
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:01,920
reach out to libraries um civic

1287
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,000
associations fraternal organizations

1288
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:08,480
you know i love speaking at conferences

1289
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:09,520
in part

1290
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:11,119
because i get to see a lot of people i

1291
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:13,040
care about some of them i consider good

1292
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,440
friends that i don't see very often

1293
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:17,280
uh go to a place that i haven't been

1294
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:18,800
before i want to return to

1295
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:22,880
all nice but we need more foot soldiers

1296
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:24,079
in the work so to say

1297
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:27,760
to get out there and bust through

1298
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:30,559
those venues and get themselves into

1299
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:32,559
more conventional ones

1300
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:36,240
and interest a wider group of people

1301
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:39,920
absolutely and you know we we

1302
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:43,040
ever so slightly with things like uh to

1303
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,480
the stars academy

1304
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:47,119
you know try to attract an audience of

1305
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:47,680
uh

1306
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:50,640
not people with ufo posters on their

1307
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:51,280
wall or

1308
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:54,079
books on their shelves about it and i

1309
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:55,599
think they're doing a pretty damn good

1310
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:56,000
job

1311
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:58,960
at it but um you know i agree with you

1312
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:01,599
in so many ways peter that um

1313
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:04,960
we live in this echo chamber in the uf

1314
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:07,359
quote-unquote field of having these

1315
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:09,359
conversations with one another

1316
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:12,240
and then by the end okay that's great

1317
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:12,880
you and i

1318
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:16,319
agree or disagree or came to a consensus

1319
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:17,119
on something

1320
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:18,800
but what about the greater public and i

1321
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:21,520
think that that speaks volumes on

1322
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:24,880
let's say that 2017 article you know

1323
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:28,079
it was mind-blowing for us

1324
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:31,839
in this field but for the overall public

1325
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:35,280
i don't know how much of a impact it

1326
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:38,960
it actually made i mean people texted me

1327
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:41,520
emailed me called me wanted to meet up

1328
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:44,000
for coffee for maybe a couple weeks

1329
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:45,839
after that article came out but then you

1330
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:47,440
know after that

1331
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:50,559
it's move on to what did trump say or

1332
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:52,880
what celebrity got caught you know

1333
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:54,319
cheating on their significant

1334
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:56,799
other this week and then the whole world

1335
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:58,000
moves on

1336
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:01,520
and i i do wonder how do we keep people

1337
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:04,640
as as ufo researchers and and people

1338
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:06,319
trying to educate the public on this

1339
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,160
topic that we

1340
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:10,160
believe could change the world

1341
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,599
ultimately

1342
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:13,520
how do we get them interested or do we

1343
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:14,799
even does it matter

1344
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:16,640
i mean we can't force this topic on

1345
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:19,119
people right but it does matter

1346
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:22,480
even if we're unsuccessful at it because

1347
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:26,960
there will likely come a time when

1348
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:29,520
maybe there will be i mean i like a lot

1349
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:31,280
of us play through my mind

1350
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:34,480
what will happen to make this happen

1351
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:37,680
um i think back to um

1352
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,280
during vietnam the um

1353
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:44,400
so-called daniel ellsberg papers

1354
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:49,040
where uh a uh

1355
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:52,160
a body of knowledge was leaked

1356
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:55,200
so to say made public published it

1357
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:56,960
embarrassed the government it helped get

1358
00:56:03,990 --> 00:55:58,079
us out of that

1359
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:04,000
absolutely insane and uh wrong war um

1360
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:07,440
that it may be a julian assange type

1361
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:11,359
wikileak with information

1362
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:14,880
that is so undeniable and so

1363
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:18,799
well documented that

1364
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:20,799
mass media will move into it because it

1365
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,280
will sell papers and air time

1366
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:25,599
and that will begin to sway the general

1367
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:26,720
public

1368
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:29,520
it may be that there will be a renegade

1369
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:30,079
in

1370
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:35,040
do it maybe the russians will do it

1371
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:37,839
just to embarrass us on a certain level

1372
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:38,640
or beat us

1373
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:40,960
to it let's remember right now as we

1374
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:41,920
speak

1375
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:45,520
there is a little spacecraft relatively

1376
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:47,119
little

1377
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:50,960
somewhere between our moon and here

1378
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:54,240
that's chinese with soil and rocks from

1379
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:54,799
the moon

1380
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:58,240
on its way back the chinese are working

1381
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:00,319
very hard to establish

1382
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:03,839
hegemony over the world um

1383
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:06,880
as somebody when i was an artist

1384
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:10,160
and um at a very different time in new

1385
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:12,559
york i lived in chinatown for eight

1386
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:14,799
years i had a little loft down there

1387
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:18,400
and over the years observing

1388
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:21,040
the work ethic of this overwhelmingly

1389
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:22,559
immigrant community

1390
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,480
you know one can make generalizations

1391
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:26,880
about work ethics of certain

1392
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:29,119
different ethnicities but i thought

1393
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:31,520
these people are working 26 hours a day

1394
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:33,359
eight days a week

1395
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:36,880
around the clock so that their kids

1396
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:40,640
can get a good public school education

1397
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:44,400
uh with a push toward excellence

1398
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:49,520
enter schools and in one generation

1399
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:53,040
break five thousand years of karma

1400
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:56,240
and become doctors and lawyers and world

1401
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:56,880
leaders

1402
00:58:02,069 --> 00:57:59,599
and teachers these people are going to

1403
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:02,079
take over the world

1404
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:04,240
and all these years later they're

1405
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:05,839
working very hard at making that a

1406
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:06,799
reality

1407
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:09,920
the other thing is that at a certain

1408
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:13,359
point a tipping point that

1409
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:16,400
they or some group of them are keeping

1410
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:17,680
their eye on rather than

1411
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:20,880
us they may decide right

1412
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,920
we've given the maybe five years

1413
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:25,680
time to make ourselves known how would

1414
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:27,359
that happen well

1415
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:30,480
often for me i found no

1416
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:33,760
real models in the real world and i'm

1417
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:34,720
not

1418
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:36,799
a big science fiction person a lot of

1419
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:38,480
people think that those of us that do

1420
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:39,440
this work

1421
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:41,200
obviously are in science fiction because

1422
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:43,119
our lives are science fiction

1423
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:45,440
but that's not true i've read a lot of

1424
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:47,040
great science fiction but it's not an

1425
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:48,720
obsession of mine and of course

1426
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:52,000
great science fiction films as well

1427
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:55,599
and for me um one possibility

1428
00:59:02,390 --> 00:58:59,119
if they want to do it comes from a very

1429
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:02,400
cheesy american miniseries that was

1430
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:05,040
i guess from the 80s and then remade

1431
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:06,559
five or six years ago

1432
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:08,880
in an equally cheesy but more expensive

1433
00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:09,920
version

1434
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:13,520
called v as in victor and it's all of

1435
00:59:18,309 --> 00:59:14,960
these

1436
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:18,319
the premise that it opens with is worthy

1437
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:19,040
of h.g

1438
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:22,079
wells of jules verne at their best

1439
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:24,240
everybody wakes up one morning and

1440
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:25,119
hanging over

1441
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:28,319
the 50 or 60 biggest cities in the world

1442
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:31,119
are these giant honking mile across

1443
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:32,319
motherships

1444
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:35,599
game over and then

1445
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,520
it just degenerates into kind of a world

1446
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:39,440
war ii resistance movies

1447
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:41,520
with instead of nazis you've got these

1448
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:43,520
aliens who all look like

1449
00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:45,520
porn stars and figure models but of

1450
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:47,359
course they're wearing latex

1451
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:49,760
and they eat us and mice and stuff like

1452
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:51,599
that and they're not very nice

1453
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:54,880
and the uh

1454
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:56,640
the folks who are like the resistance

1455
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:00,079
fighters are sort of you know the um

1456
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:03,440
the partisan jews during world war ii um

1457
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:06,000
not great viewing but the premise is

1458
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:07,119
brilliant

1459
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:10,240
and they could do it anytime they want

1460
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:11,680
i you know people say well why don't

1461
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:13,520
they just reveal themselves and i say

1462
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:15,520
they've been doing it every day

1463
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:17,920
for decade after decade after decade

1464
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:19,280
they're just not doing it on the white

1465
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:20,559
house lawn or in

1466
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:23,040
red square or tiananmen square or

1467
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:24,000
wherever

1468
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:26,720
they're doing it with people one two

1469
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:27,200
seven

1470
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:30,160
nine at a time either by making

1471
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:31,040
themselves

1472
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:35,520
visible or by landing or by taking you

1473
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:37,680
and that critical mass is building up

1474
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:39,760
often not documented

1475
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:41,359
and i say that because even though there

1476
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:43,200
are more and more out

1477
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,400
experiencers and abductees

1478
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:48,240
the late great stanton friedman one of

1479
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:49,760
the things that he used to bring up in

1480
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:51,760
stock lectures was

1481
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:53,200
i've spoken at more than 600

1482
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:55,119
universities and colleges

1483
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:57,760
early in my talk i asked the audience

1484
01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:00,720
how many people have had a ufo sighting

1485
01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:04,000
and i count and it's like one in ten

1486
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:06,000
hands goes up that's a pretty

1487
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:07,359
respectable statistic

1488
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:10,079
statistic and he says very good how many

1489
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:12,319
of you reported that to somebody some

1490
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:15,119
agency the newspaper the cops

1491
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:18,960
and nine out of ten hands go down

1492
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:21,520
again you might describe that to um once

1493
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:23,520
again fear of old-fashioned ridicule

1494
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:26,480
which is changing but it's still there

1495
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:29,119
especially in a situation like that

1496
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:33,359
so this is where we are right now

1497
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:36,319
um i i think that the disclosure

1498
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:38,480
movement is terrific

1499
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:45,030
for the foreseeable future and i i know

1500
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:46,559
my dear friend steve bassett might

1501
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:49,280
disagree with me

1502
01:01:53,109 --> 01:01:51,200
create that thing that's going to push

1503
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:53,119
world leaders over the edge at least not

1504
01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:56,400
quite yet but what i love about it

1505
01:01:59,829 --> 01:01:58,960
is there are more and more people

1506
01:02:04,630 --> 01:01:59,839
regular folks

1507
01:02:05,829 --> 01:02:04,640
gotten rolling by somebody like you or

1508
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:05,839
me

1509
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:08,400
in small groups and countries now all

1510
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:08,960
over

1511
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:12,079
the world and um

1512
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:14,400
that's very inspiring to me and i

1513
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:16,480
encourage anybody that's doing the work

1514
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:20,079
to keep doing it yeah i i feel

1515
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:23,119
inspired too because i mean the

1516
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:24,880
the project i'm working on right now

1517
01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:26,240
peter uh

1518
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:30,160
is i'm working with a navy serviceman

1519
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:34,079
who had five triangular ufo

1520
01:02:39,430 --> 01:02:37,280
sightings over a naval air station and

1521
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:39,440
of course my first question is

1522
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:42,720
did you report it and he said no the

1523
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:46,480
one time i told a superior they said

1524
01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:49,440
quit drinking before you go on shift so

1525
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:50,559
of course i'm not gonna

1526
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:53,760
report it after that but but we

1527
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:57,280
now are seeing such a shift in the navy

1528
01:03:01,510 --> 01:02:59,920
particularly um maybe across the board

1529
01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:01,520
with all the military branches

1530
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,839
of reporting these things but the navy

1531
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:05,520
especially as you said

1532
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:07,599
yeah which is interesting i'd love i'd

1533
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:08,799
like to get your thoughts on that in a

1534
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:09,280
moment

1535
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:12,559
why the navy but but the fact that now

1536
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:16,240
soldiers and people pilots and every

1537
01:03:19,510 --> 01:03:18,000
type of military person you can think of

1538
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:19,520
from like a radar operator

1539
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:21,680
up to our top gun pilots are feeling

1540
01:03:26,069 --> 01:03:23,280
empowered to come forward

1541
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:26,079
and say i was in a cat and mouse game

1542
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:27,599
with something up there that i could

1543
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:30,640
not out maneuver and could not explain

1544
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:34,240
uh that's more than we've had in

1545
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:36,559
since i think the the cover-up really

1546
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:37,440
started

1547
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:40,720
so um i think it's exciting to know that

1548
01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:44,000
now the people that a lot of citizens

1549
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:45,839
look up to our military who are there to

1550
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:46,799
protect us

1551
01:03:50,069 --> 01:03:49,280
are saying something's going on here and

1552
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:50,079
it's not us

1553
01:03:53,829 --> 01:03:52,480
and we have to figure it out um that's a

1554
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:53,839
big shift because

1555
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:55,839
we didn't get that for a long time the

1556
01:04:00,789 --> 01:03:57,520
pentagon is acknowledging

1557
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:00,799
ufos are still in fact unidentified

1558
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:02,880
and let's look into it and they're

1559
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:04,880
creating a task force to look into it

1560
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:05,839
now so

1561
01:04:09,910 --> 01:04:08,000
um yeah why do you think the navy i want

1562
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:09,920
to get your opinion on that why the navy

1563
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:11,440
where's the air force in all this

1564
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:13,760
they've been very

1565
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:15,920
quiet if you ask me what are your

1566
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:17,520
opinions on that

1567
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:19,680
i think it was kind of happenstance with

1568
01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:23,039
one historical footnote

1569
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:25,599
when james vincent farsal our first

1570
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:34,309
was nominated by harry truman

1571
01:04:40,069 --> 01:04:38,400
to literally dismantle the old war

1572
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:40,079
department which had been in place since

1573
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:41,760
the revolutionary war

1574
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:43,440
and created a new entity called the

1575
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:45,920
department of defense which he did

1576
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:48,960
and then was appropriately nominated

1577
01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:51,359
uh to be the first secretary of defense

1578
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:53,760
and something that

1579
01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:56,960
current day standards would be more

1580
01:05:01,109 --> 01:04:58,400
paranormal

1581
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:01,119
than anything i can think of having

1582
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:03,119
every single senator

1583
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:06,559
um in the house and in congress well

1584
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:08,559
in both houses of congress vote

1585
01:05:13,510 --> 01:05:10,880
unanimously to put him in

1586
01:05:14,069 --> 01:05:13,520
um each service branch was asked to

1587
01:05:17,589 --> 01:05:14,079
submit

1588
01:05:21,349 --> 01:05:17,599
a plan for the

1589
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:21,359
intelligence apparatus of the um

1590
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:23,440
the new department of defense to be

1591
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:24,880
basing

1592
01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:28,400
you know their their new uh intelligence

1593
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:31,520
aspect on and it was the navy's plan

1594
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:33,200
that was accepted this may have had

1595
01:05:37,109 --> 01:05:34,400
something to do

1596
01:05:39,190 --> 01:05:37,119
with the fact that forestall uh previous

1597
01:05:39,910 --> 01:05:39,200
to this was secretary of navy at the end

1598
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:39,920
of world war

1599
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:44,559
ii maybe not more to the point though

1600
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:48,079
um the articles that we've been

1601
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:51,760
discussing from december 2017

1602
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:53,920
there was another article accompanying

1603
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:56,319
them and it had to do

1604
01:06:03,029 --> 01:05:59,599
with a a series i think it was

1605
01:06:04,069 --> 01:06:03,039
two navy flyers talking about being

1606
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:04,079
scrambled

1607
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:05,920
and getting close enough to to an

1608
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:08,880
unknown to identify it as a general

1609
01:06:14,549 --> 01:06:12,400
a genuine unknown now in ufology

1610
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:14,559
we have a myriad of these reports god

1611
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:16,400
knows how many going back

1612
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:20,400
to the 40s but in the new york times

1613
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:27,990
i think the real break came when

1614
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:30,480
information came to the service surface

1615
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:32,400
that partially uh

1616
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:36,000
sparked uh the writing of

1617
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:40,559
the key article in december of of 2017

1618
01:06:46,950 --> 01:06:43,760
about a plan that had been put forward

1619
01:06:49,589 --> 01:06:46,960
in congress in 2004

1620
01:06:51,430 --> 01:06:49,599
and very much advocated by the majority

1621
01:06:55,510 --> 01:06:51,440
leader

1622
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:55,520
to create a study group in so many words

1623
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:57,680
to be funded to the tune of 20 million

1624
01:07:02,230 --> 01:06:58,880
or so dollars

1625
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:02,240
to simply study seriously the question

1626
01:07:05,349 --> 01:07:03,520
of ufos

1627
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:05,359
again for those of us in the field

1628
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:06,640
ho-hum

1629
01:07:10,630 --> 01:07:08,480
we've been aware of this for you know

1630
01:07:13,990 --> 01:07:10,640
since that time

1631
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:14,000
and other efforts like it

1632
01:07:17,349 --> 01:07:15,839
but to the general public this was

1633
01:07:21,510 --> 01:07:17,359
massive and

1634
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:21,520
it touched on the 2004

1635
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:24,559
navy aerial

1636
01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:28,000
reports by navy pilots and witnesses

1637
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:32,640
coming forward on the

1638
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:35,520
was it the destroyer and the aircraft

1639
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:37,520
carrier that were involved in the

1640
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:45,510
and then those four or five of those

1641
01:07:49,510 --> 01:07:47,440
individuals coming forward

1642
01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:49,520
uh who you and i have spent time with

1643
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:51,440
some of them uh

1644
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:52,880
and just putting it on the line and

1645
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:54,559
saying yeah i was there

1646
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:57,200
i was involved to one degree or another

1647
01:08:04,630 --> 01:07:59,520
this is what i will put on the record

1648
01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:07,910
i think now the climate has

1649
01:08:14,670 --> 01:08:12,319
changed again because

1650
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:14,680
we are now in this seemingly

1651
01:08:22,630 --> 01:08:15,839
post-ridicule

1652
01:08:26,149 --> 01:08:24,630
more willing to put their careers at

1653
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:26,159
risk

1654
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:30,400
at the same time um

1655
01:08:37,030 --> 01:08:33,839
i think the secret keepers per se those

1656
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:37,040
gray individuals who we don't elect who

1657
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:39,440
are the ones who decide what should be

1658
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:41,520
kept secret what should be declassified

1659
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:42,880
to a degree

1660
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:45,600
who have worked many of them very hard

1661
01:08:50,829 --> 01:08:48,080
to keep a lid on the whole ufo situation

1662
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:50,839
since 1947

1663
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:54,400
that it's leaking the lid isn't fitting

1664
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:55,440
type

1665
01:09:00,870 --> 01:08:58,719
there is probably arguments going on for

1666
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:00,880
decades within various agencies and

1667
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:02,960
offices about the wisdom

1668
01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:06,239
of starting to release information

1669
01:09:13,749 --> 01:09:09,440
of keeping it absolutely secret

1670
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:13,759
of arguing these points back and forth

1671
01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:16,719
now it's just eroding now it's out of

1672
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:17,520
control

1673
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:19,920
and i think what's happening is that

1674
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:22,319
those individuals and the organizations

1675
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:25,120
and groups which they front or

1676
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:27,600
you know are involved in are doing a

1677
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:30,000
kind of creative damage control

1678
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:32,880
um again this uh what we touched on

1679
01:09:39,669 --> 01:09:34,880
before

1680
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:39,679
this distinguished retired israeli

1681
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:42,719
ranking personnel talking about

1682
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:45,199
you know mars the moon this kind of

1683
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:46,239
thing

1684
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:49,199
is this information that is absolutely

1685
01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:50,319
authentic

1686
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,679
is this what he wants to believe

1687
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:55,600
is this information that has been

1688
01:09:59,430 --> 01:09:57,840
somewhat doctored and given to him or

1689
01:10:02,630 --> 01:09:59,440
given access to him

1690
01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:02,640
as a way to

1691
01:10:06,070 --> 01:10:04,640
get more out there and at the same time

1692
01:10:08,950 --> 01:10:06,080
overload

1693
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:08,960
the circuits of the general public it's

1694
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:10,320
easier to

1695
01:10:16,709 --> 01:10:13,440
dismiss him as a character

1696
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:16,719
a crank you know somebody who always

1697
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,640
harbored these beliefs and now that he's

1698
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:20,320
retired can talk about them whether

1699
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:21,760
they're true or not

1700
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:24,640
or are they true the subject is more and

1701
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:25,040
more

1702
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:27,600
out there and against being covered by

1703
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:28,480
major

1704
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:30,719
media part of the reason for that is

1705
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:32,719
this stuff has always sold

1706
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:35,360
advertising time make no mistake about

1707
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:35,840
it

1708
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:39,120
there is that mercantile factor attached

1709
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:42,480
and if you are again

1710
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:45,280
a right-wing fox commentator a left-wing

1711
01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:46,480
um

1712
01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:49,520
cnbc commentator and a story like that

1713
01:10:52,149 --> 01:10:50,719
comes in

1714
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:52,159
your news writers are going to write it

1715
01:10:56,830 --> 01:10:54,719
up and you're going to report it

1716
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:56,840
because it your listenership is

1717
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:59,520
interested and it breaks the normal news

1718
01:11:04,149 --> 01:11:00,000
cycle

1719
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:04,159
which is pretty depressing right now so

1720
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:06,239
we're all kind of too close to see the

1721
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:07,440
bigger picture

1722
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:10,320
although people you know more scholarly

1723
01:11:15,189 --> 01:11:12,000
and more observant people are pulling

1724
01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:15,199
back to see this dynamic that's going on

1725
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:16,880
right now

1726
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:20,080
but with the super imposition of the

1727
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:21,360
pandemic

1728
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:23,120
we're all feeling the wind of history in

1729
01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:24,560
our face every single

1730
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:27,920
day that we wake up and everybody's a

1731
01:11:32,590 --> 01:11:29,280
bit on overload

1732
01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:32,600
and here we are coming into the most

1733
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:36,400
tradition-bound poignant

1734
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:40,159
um emotional time of year

1735
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:43,280
for so many regular folks and

1736
01:11:48,550 --> 01:11:46,320
it ain't going to be like it ever was

1737
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:48,560
for most people it's going to be a

1738
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:51,040
challenging period of time

1739
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:52,960
coming toward the end of some of the

1740
01:11:56,790 --> 01:11:55,360
most challenging times in their lives if

1741
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:56,800
not the most

1742
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:00,239
and a lot of people are suffering

1743
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:02,800
uh either because they are ill with this

1744
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:04,080
damn disease

1745
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:06,080
or because they know somebody that is or

1746
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:08,640
because they are afraid of it or because

1747
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:10,480
they're angry because they

1748
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:14,800
know that it's just um a

1749
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:17,840
a chinese or a communist

1750
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:20,719
ploy to take our freedoms away

1751
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:22,719
everybody's got an attitude about it

1752
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:25,280
everybody is concerned and yet we're

1753
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:26,480
going into christmas

1754
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:30,000
and new year's with our backs to the

1755
01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:30,960
wall

1756
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:34,159
and so again if this had been what i'll

1757
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:36,400
laughingly call a normal year

1758
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:37,760
this would have been a banner

1759
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:40,480
breakthrough year for the public taking

1760
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:42,080
ufos more seriously

1761
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:44,400
many of them have but many of them been

1762
01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:45,679
understandably

1763
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:50,000
too preoccupied with real world concerns

1764
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:52,400
absolutely yeah of course of course

1765
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:53,760
peter this would all

1766
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:56,080
start to unravel in the middle of a

1767
01:13:02,630 --> 01:12:58,480
pandemic and you do have to wonder

1768
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:02,640
uh you know was this a strategy to

1769
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:05,840
maybe admit a little yeah yeah ufos are

1770
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:06,320
out there

1771
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:07,920
pilots are seeing them we don't know

1772
01:13:12,870 --> 01:13:10,239
what they are um i mean

1773
01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:12,880
look they the department of defense

1774
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:15,040
officially released those navy

1775
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:18,239
shot ufo videos right in the middle of

1776
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:20,320
when lockdown started when

1777
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:21,840
you know that could have been a historic

1778
01:13:26,709 --> 01:13:23,600
moment in time where finally

1779
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:26,719
our intelligence agencies are saying

1780
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:29,840
here here here's what we got um but no

1781
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:32,960
you know we we have to worry about uh

1782
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:35,280
you know buying more masks for tomorrow

1783
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:36,560
to go out or

1784
01:13:40,630 --> 01:13:39,120
um you know being as careful as possible

1785
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:40,640
around our loved ones

1786
01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:44,000
during a pandemic or just surviving

1787
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:46,719
so many people are unemployed right now

1788
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:48,320
and just they have no idea how they're

1789
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:49,360
gonna pay

1790
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:52,080
the rent next week or get a meal on the

1791
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:52,560
table

1792
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:53,920
of course they're not gonna be thinking

1793
01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:55,600
about oh finally

1794
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:57,040
we're figuring out that ufos are

1795
01:14:01,990 --> 01:13:58,880
extraterrestrial or uh

1796
01:14:03,510 --> 01:14:02,000
or whatever they happen to be um you're

1797
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:03,520
right it's just not

1798
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:06,239
it's not it's not out there it's not

1799
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:08,080
there for the public to um

1800
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:10,480
accept because uh we got more important

1801
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:11,440
things going on

1802
01:14:16,229 --> 01:14:14,400
to be completely honest even though this

1803
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:16,239
topic could ultimately be the most

1804
01:14:20,950 --> 01:14:17,600
profound thing

1805
01:14:23,189 --> 01:14:20,960
in history um you gotta wonder but

1806
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:23,199
um the the other thing i kind of wanted

1807
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:24,320
to talk you with you

1808
01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:27,120
in terms of that is uh where we stand

1809
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:27,760
now

1810
01:14:35,350 --> 01:14:31,920
we have um a bill being passed

1811
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:35,360
within congress about uh information

1812
01:14:39,990 --> 01:14:36,800
about ufos

1813
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:40,000
being made public uh again something

1814
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:40,480
never

1815
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:42,719
in my lifetime did i think i would even

1816
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:43,679
see the word

1817
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:48,080
you know uap ufo in an official bill

1818
01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:50,480
being passed and it's happening and now

1819
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:52,640
the pentagon is once again saying

1820
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:54,480
we're creating a task force we're

1821
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:56,080
looking into it but

1822
01:15:01,510 --> 01:14:58,880
like you mentioned are these ways to

1823
01:15:03,910 --> 01:15:01,520
control the information that gets out

1824
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:03,920
or you know because with all these ufo

1825
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:05,760
videos that were leaked to the public

1826
01:15:09,189 --> 01:15:07,040
years before

1827
01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:09,199
the department of defense officially

1828
01:15:11,750 --> 01:15:10,159
released them

1829
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:11,760
they were backed into a corner and we

1830
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:13,840
said boom someone within your

1831
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:15,679
intelligence agency wanted this out to

1832
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:16,560
the public

1833
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:19,440
and they leaked it um we saw that weeks

1834
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:20,159
ago

1835
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:22,960
with um a new company the debrief

1836
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:24,080
releasing information

1837
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:26,400
about what this task force has found so

1838
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:27,280
far yeah

1839
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:29,840
so i is this what it takes backing them

1840
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:31,040
into a corner

1841
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:33,600
and saying we're going to find the

1842
01:15:38,630 --> 01:15:35,520
information whether you like it or not

1843
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:38,640
or is this them being like let's handle

1844
01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:40,159
the narrative that gets out to the

1845
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:40,880
public

1846
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:44,000
we have what amounts to a new task force

1847
01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:45,920
involved in keeping an eye on this

1848
01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:51,830
i'm a fairly optimistic trusting person

1849
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:52,880
in general

1850
01:15:57,430 --> 01:15:55,440
but for me i always approach a new

1851
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:57,440
development like this

1852
01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:58,800
with the understanding that it's a

1853
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:00,560
double-edged sword

1854
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:04,800
it looks good it may in fact be sincere

1855
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:08,400
or it may be yet one more way to control

1856
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:10,960
with a certain amount of elegance

1857
01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:13,840
and seeming openness the flow of

1858
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:15,040
information

1859
01:16:24,390 --> 01:16:22,560
i'm i'm open and optimistic about it

1860
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:24,400
like you will be keeping a close eye on

1861
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:27,040
it and what they do and what they say

1862
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:30,560
um but as the english say

1863
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:34,640
it isn't aspect until it gels

1864
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:36,960
absolutely yeah you couldn't be more

1865
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:37,679
right on that

1866
01:16:41,189 --> 01:16:39,760
and i think you know as time goes on

1867
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:41,199
we're really gonna see

1868
01:16:45,189 --> 01:16:42,960
if this task force is all it's cracked

1869
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:45,199
up to be you know um there's been talk

1870
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:46,320
that it's

1871
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:49,360
um just two people in a basement you

1872
01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:51,600
know a la molder x-files

1873
01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:53,679
style looking at this but but we

1874
01:16:56,229 --> 01:16:55,520
honestly don't know so i look forward to

1875
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:56,239
whatever

1876
01:17:00,149 --> 01:16:58,320
comes next in that but peter before we

1877
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:00,159
go kind of wrapping things up

1878
01:17:04,550 --> 01:17:02,960
i want to know what comes next for you

1879
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:04,560
this is one of the reasons i got you on

1880
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:06,320
today i was so excited

1881
01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:08,800
to hear about this so um tell us a

1882
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:10,159
little if you will

1883
01:17:14,390 --> 01:17:12,000
about this new endeavor that you're

1884
01:17:17,510 --> 01:17:14,400
embarking on within the ufo world

1885
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:17,520
and beyond yeah well

1886
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:20,800
um as i mentioned earlier for the last

1887
01:17:26,070 --> 01:17:23,440
few years one of the things that has

1888
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:26,080
really preoccupied me more than any

1889
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:27,920
particular case

1890
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:31,040
or development in the field

1891
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:35,750
[Music]

1892
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:39,120
new postulates put forward different

1893
01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:42,320
positive coverage of the subject is

1894
01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:44,080
this challenge of how do we reach a

1895
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:45,520
wider audience

1896
01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:48,719
and for me personally um

1897
01:17:56,830 --> 01:17:52,000
i've been a guest on

1898
01:18:01,030 --> 01:17:56,840
well going back almost 40 years

1899
01:18:01,510 --> 01:18:01,040
um on hundreds of radio broadcasts and

1900
01:18:04,630 --> 01:18:01,520
more

1901
01:18:06,870 --> 01:18:04,640
recently in the past few years dozens

1902
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:06,880
and dozens of podcasts

1903
01:18:11,350 --> 01:18:10,320
um i always figure it comes with the

1904
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:11,360
territory

1905
01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:13,199
you know for anybody that wonders you

1906
01:18:16,950 --> 01:18:14,640
never get paid

1907
01:18:19,030 --> 01:18:16,960
the traditional understanding is i'll

1908
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:19,040
give you some time on the air

1909
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:21,760
uh and you give me content to let me do

1910
01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:23,360
my show

1911
01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:26,320
but something happened about a year ago

1912
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:27,760
in my life

1913
01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:30,320
that made me think maybe this is the

1914
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:31,280
direction

1915
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:34,560
i should go and if so to find a way to

1916
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:35,040
do it

1917
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:38,239
that's a bit different

1918
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:41,440
than it's been done i received a call

1919
01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:41,840
from

1920
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:44,560
my old friend race hobbs who is the

1921
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:45,199
founder

1922
01:18:51,990 --> 01:18:48,400
of the um radio network that you

1923
01:18:52,470 --> 01:18:52,000
have your show on kgra race is an old

1924
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:52,480
friend

1925
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:54,960
we absolutely love each other uh two

1926
01:18:57,510 --> 01:18:56,640
more different guys you couldn't find in

1927
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:57,520
the world but

1928
01:19:01,990 --> 01:19:00,880
you know like the best of us we

1929
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:02,000
just keep working through our

1930
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:03,600
differences and have nothing but good

1931
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:05,600
will and affection

1932
01:19:10,630 --> 01:19:08,400
each other and he said i've been talking

1933
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:10,640
to the owner of kgra

1934
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:12,560
we've known each other for years i know

1935
01:19:17,990 --> 01:19:14,000
your work uh

1936
01:19:20,229 --> 01:19:18,000
your communication skills and um

1937
01:19:22,870 --> 01:19:20,239
we'd like to offer you um a live

1938
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:22,880
two-hour radio show every week

1939
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:26,560
and my first thought was

1940
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:29,440
that i felt flattered it's a nice

1941
01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:30,719
acknowledgement

1942
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:32,880
when somebody gives you an opportunity

1943
01:19:38,470 --> 01:19:35,040
like that

1944
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:38,480
my second thought was um gee this is

1945
01:19:41,669 --> 01:19:39,679
going to be a lot of work

1946
01:19:43,510 --> 01:19:41,679
and that means i got to line up guests

1947
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:43,520
every week and do everything else that

1948
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:45,120
radio hosts do

1949
01:19:49,030 --> 01:19:47,520
and work out questions and blah blah

1950
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:49,040
blah

1951
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:51,679
and the third thing that i talked to him

1952
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:52,080
and

1953
01:19:57,270 --> 01:19:55,840
um the owner about was that

1954
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:57,280
there are so many good people already

1955
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:59,440
doing this work uh

1956
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:01,440
some of them are literally institutions

1957
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:03,440
that have been doing it for decades

1958
01:20:07,590 --> 01:20:06,000
other ones are up and comers been doing

1959
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:07,600
it for years

1960
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:10,880
other ones are you know whether it's a

1961
01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:13,440
small podcast or a big radio show

1962
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:16,560
we've got plenty of talented hosts and

1963
01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:18,480
producers out there

1964
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:22,639
and if i accepted this opportunity

1965
01:20:29,910 --> 01:20:26,800
if i was just doing i hope

1966
01:20:32,149 --> 01:20:29,920
what would be a good job at what they do

1967
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:32,159
and you know having different guests on

1968
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:33,520
to talk about

1969
01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:35,600
the latest cases or the book they've

1970
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:37,760
written or where we can see them next

1971
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:40,960
all you know important things that

1972
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:42,800
i really wasn't that interested and i

1973
01:20:47,430 --> 01:20:45,440
asked him if i could think about it

1974
01:20:50,790 --> 01:20:47,440
and they said take as much time as you

1975
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:50,800
want which again i i was very moved by

1976
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:52,400
as opposed to we want to fill this slot

1977
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:53,440
and if it's not you it's going to be

1978
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:54,960
someone else

1979
01:20:59,830 --> 01:20:57,120
and i started to think about it and

1980
01:21:01,110 --> 01:20:59,840
thought about it and thought about it

1981
01:21:04,229 --> 01:21:01,120
and

1982
01:21:08,310 --> 01:21:04,239
it took me almost two months to

1983
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:08,320
come up with an idea of a format for a

1984
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:09,440
show

1985
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:12,880
and an adjacent um platform

1986
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:15,920
with different kinds of content

1987
01:21:21,590 --> 01:21:19,120
that i thought might be

1988
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:21,600
something people would want to listen to

1989
01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:22,480
also

1990
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:25,760
that if i did it i'd want kind of a dual

1991
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:27,679
mandate and i have to figure out how to

1992
01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:28,960
fulfill that

1993
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:32,159
number one that obviously i wanted to be

1994
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:34,000
something i could be proud of

1995
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:37,120
that would draw more and more listeners

1996
01:21:42,709 --> 01:21:40,320
um in fact everybody that listens to

1997
01:21:45,110 --> 01:21:42,719
every show on kgra

1998
01:21:46,709 --> 01:21:45,120
i'd like for my listener and everybody

1999
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:46,719
that listens to

2000
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:48,960
every other paranormal and ufo related

2001
01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:50,880
show i'd like for a listener

2002
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:52,960
and all the zillions of people that

2003
01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:54,719
listen to coast to coast

2004
01:22:02,390 --> 01:21:58,080
i'd like for listeners but i

2005
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:02,400
also knew that i wanted it to be

2006
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:10,149
would be a program

2007
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:11,760
that people who had never been

2008
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:13,679
interested in listening to a ufo or

2009
01:22:16,629 --> 01:22:15,520
paranormal broadcast before in their

2010
01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:16,639
life

2011
01:22:20,229 --> 01:22:19,199
would start to listen to and that i

2012
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:20,239
could build

2013
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,440
two audiences very consciously and

2014
01:22:29,430 --> 01:22:25,199
finding a way to

2015
01:22:32,550 --> 01:22:29,440
have content that would appeal

2016
01:22:36,709 --> 01:22:32,560
to serious students of the subject

2017
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:36,719
and you know new folks on board

2018
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:40,400
and part of that was at this point

2019
01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:43,920
in my life in the work i look at all the

2020
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:44,880
people

2021
01:22:48,149 --> 01:22:47,440
around us ryan who have been doing this

2022
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:48,159
work

2023
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:49,920
some of them for decades some of them

2024
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:52,480
for years some of them fairly recently

2025
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:54,159
but especially the established ones and

2026
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:55,679
there are an awful lot of them people

2027
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:56,560
who

2028
01:23:06,310 --> 01:23:01,679
i read and have read

2029
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:06,320
who i see on television who i listen to

2030
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:08,400
at conferences when i'm on the speaker's

2031
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:09,760
lineup as well

2032
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:11,520
and make a point of not missing their

2033
01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:13,600
talks

2034
01:23:17,990 --> 01:23:16,000
we know who they are or who they are in

2035
01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:18,000
their public presence

2036
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:19,920
but what interested me more was how did

2037
01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:21,199
they become

2038
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:23,679
the person they became what were the

2039
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:25,520
factors in their lives

2040
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:27,760
that contributed them to contributed to

2041
01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:29,440
them becoming

2042
01:23:34,070 --> 01:23:31,760
this public person in this work making

2043
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:34,080
the contributions they do

2044
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:39,199
and so i accepted kgra's invitation

2045
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:41,280
and over the past months have been kind

2046
01:23:46,709 --> 01:23:42,400
of gearing myself

2047
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:46,719
up to do it working on

2048
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:50,000
my first show which will be just me and

2049
01:23:57,430 --> 01:23:53,520
second week start with guests but

2050
01:23:59,110 --> 01:23:57,440
on friday december 28th

2051
01:24:00,790 --> 01:23:59,120
that quiet couple of days between

2052
01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:00,800
christmas and new year's

2053
01:24:04,629 --> 01:24:03,440
i'll be going on the air live at six

2054
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:04,639
o'clock

2055
01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:09,760
evening eastern standard time

2056
01:24:13,750 --> 01:24:12,159
with the first broadcast of a show that

2057
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:13,760
will be called

2058
01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:16,960
meanwhile here on earth

2059
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:20,400
and ultimately i came up with that name

2060
01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:22,400
because although a great deal of our

2061
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:24,960
attention is focused out there

2062
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:27,760
a great deal of what we're talking about

2063
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:28,560
researching

2064
01:24:32,470 --> 01:24:31,440
being involved in studying is happening

2065
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:32,480
here

2066
01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:36,480
more i thought can i get away with

2067
01:24:41,350 --> 01:24:37,920
violating

2068
01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:41,360
kind of that uns written code of all

2069
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:42,320
paranormal

2070
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:46,800
and uh ufo related shows

2071
01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:49,280
and broaden that content to things that

2072
01:24:52,870 --> 01:24:50,560
interest me

2073
01:24:56,070 --> 01:24:52,880
often a great deal that may not

2074
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:56,080
specifically bear on the subject at hand

2075
01:24:59,510 --> 01:24:58,639
with guests that i hope people would

2076
01:25:01,990 --> 01:24:59,520
never forget

2077
01:25:03,510 --> 01:25:02,000
and want to hear again uh even if it's

2078
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:03,520
not in their specific

2079
01:25:07,669 --> 01:25:07,040
area of interest and i'm going to leave

2080
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:07,679
it at that

2081
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:10,800
for now and just invite

2082
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:14,960
all of your viewers to join me

2083
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:19,199
on december 28th for my first broadcast

2084
01:25:25,990 --> 01:25:22,800
and then either through the station or

2085
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:26,000
directly let me know what they think of

2086
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:29,120
what i want to do i can say

2087
01:25:32,709 --> 01:25:31,440
that i already have months of guests

2088
01:25:35,910 --> 01:25:32,719
lined up

2089
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:35,920
and i'm very excited about that and

2090
01:25:39,750 --> 01:25:38,400
if you're in the work they're almost all

2091
01:25:43,270 --> 01:25:39,760
people that you've known

2092
01:25:46,790 --> 01:25:43,280
who they are for years and i hope admire

2093
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:46,800
and follow to some degree and

2094
01:25:50,470 --> 01:25:49,600
i have dozens more people many of them

2095
01:25:54,790 --> 01:25:50,480
with an interest

2096
01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:54,800
in ufos but who are not in our field

2097
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:58,880
they're painters and writers and actors

2098
01:26:02,709 --> 01:26:01,440
and filmmakers and producers and film

2099
01:26:06,149 --> 01:26:02,719
directors

2100
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:06,159
and people in business people who

2101
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:12,790
some of these shows of course will be

2102
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:14,880
about what they do

2103
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:16,800
things that i find fascinating but

2104
01:26:20,229 --> 01:26:18,639
overwhelmingly these are people with an

2105
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:20,239
interest in the subject

2106
01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:22,560
just the people in the music industry

2107
01:26:26,870 --> 01:26:23,920
and who they are

2108
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:26,880
uh who have agreed to come on the show

2109
01:26:29,189 --> 01:26:27,760
and talk about

2110
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:29,199
how this has always been a threat in

2111
01:26:34,390 --> 01:26:31,440
their life at the same time

2112
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:34,400
that they've been a pop star for decades

2113
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:34,960
or

2114
01:26:44,709 --> 01:26:41,840
involved in um directing

2115
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:44,719
academy award winners in great dramatic

2116
01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:45,760
features on

2117
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:52,070
and take it wherever i can get it to go

2118
01:26:57,750 --> 01:26:55,360
uh again i'm going to rely

2119
01:26:59,590 --> 01:26:57,760
on my colleagues and my audience to help

2120
01:27:01,990 --> 01:26:59,600
give me guidance as the show

2121
01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:02,000
starts to take form over the months to

2122
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:03,040
come

2123
01:27:08,390 --> 01:27:06,480
and i'm just really excited about it and

2124
01:27:09,510 --> 01:27:08,400
after the amount of time i've given

2125
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:09,520
myself to

2126
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:12,320
grow into getting ready to do this i am

2127
01:27:16,629 --> 01:27:13,920
ready to go

2128
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:16,639
ready pull the trigger i'm so excited

2129
01:27:20,950 --> 01:27:18,080
for this i remember

2130
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:20,960
when you um it was just literally a

2131
01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:22,400
glimmer in your eye

2132
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:25,440
and now to see it coming to fruition i

2133
01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:28,000
i think it's so refreshing peter i mean

2134
01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:28,800
you and i

2135
01:27:34,550 --> 01:27:32,639
like i mentioned in the intro yeah we we

2136
01:27:35,669 --> 01:27:34,560
connected through ufos but it was our

2137
01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:35,679
love of theater

2138
01:27:39,669 --> 01:27:37,280
that truly brought us together as

2139
01:27:40,629 --> 01:27:39,679
friends you know aside from being

2140
01:27:42,470 --> 01:27:40,639
colleagues

2141
01:27:44,310 --> 01:27:42,480
and i think that's what's amazing about

2142
01:27:47,189 --> 01:27:44,320
this field is we all

2143
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:47,199
have our own lives um you know i live in

2144
01:27:50,229 --> 01:27:48,719
new york city where you can literally

2145
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:50,239
hear the subway right now

2146
01:27:55,590 --> 01:27:53,360
overpowering my voice um and i am a

2147
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:55,600
playwright i write for the stage and

2148
01:28:00,550 --> 01:27:57,280
that's what love and passion i've always

2149
01:28:02,070 --> 01:28:00,560
had aside from talking about ufos

2150
01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:02,080
so you know that you're going to be

2151
01:28:06,709 --> 01:28:05,120
talking to people in all walks of life

2152
01:28:09,990 --> 01:28:06,719
and what got them interested in this

2153
01:28:16,790 --> 01:28:10,000
specific topic but also what did they do

2154
01:28:20,470 --> 01:28:19,590
in initial interviews with upcoming

2155
01:28:23,189 --> 01:28:20,480
guests

2156
01:28:24,310 --> 01:28:23,199
um some things that i suspected or knew

2157
01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:24,320
a little about

2158
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:26,880
um has really thrown the doors open for

2159
01:28:30,070 --> 01:28:27,440
me on

2160
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:30,080
you did what you worked at what you

2161
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:31,760
dreamt of becoming this

2162
01:28:35,030 --> 01:28:34,159
you had to overcome this obstacle in

2163
01:28:37,270 --> 01:28:35,040
your life

2164
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:37,280
you met this person and they inspired

2165
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:39,520
you and helped you to do this

2166
01:28:45,830 --> 01:28:42,639
uh it's been very humbling just to do

2167
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:45,840
um the back work getting ready to

2168
01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:48,000
come into this period of time where i

2169
01:28:51,189 --> 01:28:49,199
will be

2170
01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:51,199
continuing my work as a public person

2171
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:53,920
but in i guess a more public way

2172
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:57,040
and um i'm no stranger to broadcasting

2173
01:29:01,030 --> 01:28:57,600
but not

2174
01:29:04,149 --> 01:29:01,040
in the role that i will be playing so

2175
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:04,159
um wish me luck and tune in

2176
01:29:07,510 --> 01:29:06,320
on december 28th 6 o'clock eastern

2177
01:29:09,830 --> 01:29:07,520
standard

2178
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:09,840
that's amazing and you know again

2179
01:29:15,750 --> 01:29:12,320
bringing it back to that humanistic

2180
01:29:18,310 --> 01:29:15,760
uh level to all of this you know i think

2181
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:18,320
is going to bring people together again

2182
01:29:21,510 --> 01:29:19,600
instead of dividing them

2183
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:21,520
and i couldn't think of a better person

2184
01:29:27,030 --> 01:29:24,080
than yourself to bridge that gap to

2185
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:27,040
reach across the aisle and and show us

2186
01:29:30,550 --> 01:29:27,520
that

2187
01:29:34,229 --> 01:29:30,560
we're all human we all live

2188
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:34,239
and breathe for a reason and um

2189
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:36,320
i think it's beautiful i can't wait i'm

2190
01:29:41,430 --> 01:29:38,480
gonna be listening live um

2191
01:29:41,910 --> 01:29:41,440
all my all my viewers all my listeners

2192
01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:41,920
please

2193
01:29:45,030 --> 01:29:43,840
tune into that i will have all the

2194
01:29:48,149 --> 01:29:45,040
information about the

2195
01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:48,159
debut show in the show notes um but

2196
01:29:51,669 --> 01:29:49,520
other than that peter

2197
01:29:53,350 --> 01:29:51,679
i know you also have another project

2198
01:29:56,310 --> 01:29:53,360
that is near and dear to my heart

2199
01:29:57,910 --> 01:29:56,320
that's out on dvd so before we go could

2200
01:30:00,629 --> 01:29:57,920
you tell us a little about

2201
01:30:04,070 --> 01:30:00,639
this incredible biography that you have

2202
01:30:06,870 --> 01:30:04,080
compiled on the life of james forrestal

2203
01:30:08,950 --> 01:30:06,880
yeah um again james farstall was our

2204
01:30:12,550 --> 01:30:08,960
first secretary of defense

2205
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:12,560
he enters into the ufo story um

2206
01:30:16,070 --> 01:30:15,360
usually more in terms of legend myth

2207
01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:16,080
lore

2208
01:30:19,990 --> 01:30:18,960
than documented fact for most folks

2209
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:20,000
because he's even been

2210
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:22,639
treated as a character you know in a

2211
01:30:27,669 --> 01:30:24,320
film and that kind of thing

2212
01:30:29,669 --> 01:30:27,679
um james forrestal was sworn in

2213
01:30:30,709 --> 01:30:29,679
as first secretary of defense in

2214
01:30:34,790 --> 01:30:30,719
september

2215
01:30:38,870 --> 01:30:34,800
of 1947 uh

2216
01:30:41,430 --> 01:30:38,880
10 weeks or so after something

2217
01:30:42,550 --> 01:30:41,440
crashed in the deserts outside of

2218
01:30:46,709 --> 01:30:42,560
roswell

2219
01:30:50,229 --> 01:30:46,719
new mexico

2220
01:30:53,669 --> 01:30:50,239
the weight of the entire early

2221
01:30:59,750 --> 01:30:56,870
uh flood of information

2222
01:31:02,149 --> 01:30:59,760
rested on his shoulders not truman's you

2223
01:31:05,430 --> 01:31:02,159
read the job description

2224
01:31:07,430 --> 01:31:05,440
for secretary of defense it's a very

2225
01:31:08,390 --> 01:31:07,440
powerful position more than most people

2226
01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:08,400
realize you can

2227
01:31:11,830 --> 01:31:11,440
actually make policy in some ways you

2228
01:31:13,350 --> 01:31:11,840
are

2229
01:31:14,950 --> 01:31:13,360
more powerful than anybody in the

2230
01:31:18,470 --> 01:31:14,960
american government save

2231
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:18,480
the president of the united states and

2232
01:31:24,950 --> 01:31:21,600
james farstall's life

2233
01:31:29,189 --> 01:31:24,960
for me read like fiction in fact i

2234
01:31:31,750 --> 01:31:29,199
found myself comparing him to

2235
01:31:32,629 --> 01:31:31,760
the greatest creation of f scott

2236
01:31:36,870 --> 01:31:32,639
fitzgerald

2237
01:31:40,149 --> 01:31:36,880
jay gatsby he came out of nowhere

2238
01:31:42,629 --> 01:31:40,159
became everything and

2239
01:31:44,470 --> 01:31:42,639
uh at the point where his life was

2240
01:31:47,669 --> 01:31:44,480
literally storybook

2241
01:31:50,629 --> 01:31:47,679
it began to spiral out of control

2242
01:31:52,550 --> 01:31:50,639
in great part because of the impact that

2243
01:31:56,229 --> 01:31:52,560
the weight

2244
01:31:58,709 --> 01:31:56,239
of this knowledge had on him i will say

2245
01:32:00,229 --> 01:31:58,719
that i was first introduced to james

2246
01:32:04,070 --> 01:32:00,239
farstall's life

2247
01:32:06,310 --> 01:32:04,080
and very suspicious death in 1987

2248
01:32:08,470 --> 01:32:06,320
and i started to research it then set it

2249
01:32:11,669 --> 01:32:08,480
aside picked it up again

2250
01:32:13,510 --> 01:32:11,679
kept doing it and the

2251
01:32:15,830 --> 01:32:13,520
i can't even call it a documentary the

2252
01:32:19,990 --> 01:32:15,840
production values are very modest

2253
01:32:20,550 --> 01:32:20,000
um it's me and a green screen 150 images

2254
01:32:23,830 --> 01:32:20,560
or so

2255
01:32:30,709 --> 01:32:27,110
a soundtrack a green screen right

2256
01:32:33,990 --> 01:32:30,719
and um a story

2257
01:32:37,350 --> 01:32:34,000
it's something that is scripted that

2258
01:32:39,910 --> 01:32:37,360
i present word for word it takes an hour

2259
01:32:40,790 --> 01:32:39,920
and i was very careful in putting it

2260
01:32:44,229 --> 01:32:40,800
together to

2261
01:32:45,990 --> 01:32:44,239
only go with the most documentable

2262
01:32:48,470 --> 01:32:46,000
sources i could find

2263
01:32:49,990 --> 01:32:48,480
there are things about james forrestall

2264
01:32:52,629 --> 01:32:50,000
and what he experienced

2265
01:32:54,070 --> 01:32:52,639
saw or lived through that may very well

2266
01:32:56,709 --> 01:32:54,080
be true that i did not

2267
01:32:57,510 --> 01:32:56,719
include because for me the standard was

2268
01:32:59,910 --> 01:32:57,520
i want

2269
01:33:01,030 --> 01:32:59,920
to produce a documentary here if that's

2270
01:33:03,350 --> 01:33:01,040
the word for it

2271
01:33:05,030 --> 01:33:03,360
that i could prove in a court of law and

2272
01:33:07,510 --> 01:33:05,040
i think i do

2273
01:33:09,590 --> 01:33:07,520
it is equally about the circumstances

2274
01:33:11,350 --> 01:33:09,600
surrounding his death

2275
01:33:13,430 --> 01:33:11,360
and he was murdered make no mistake

2276
01:33:14,790 --> 01:33:13,440
about it although the public was told he

2277
01:33:16,629 --> 01:33:14,800
took his own life

2278
01:33:18,149 --> 01:33:16,639
after a profound and very well

2279
01:33:20,790 --> 01:33:18,159
documented uh

2280
01:33:21,510 --> 01:33:20,800
mental breakdown now the documentary was

2281
01:33:24,629 --> 01:33:21,520
completed

2282
01:33:26,229 --> 01:33:24,639
last year and i'm very pleased to say it

2283
01:33:29,590 --> 01:33:26,239
is available

2284
01:33:33,430 --> 01:33:29,600
in a dvd

2285
01:33:36,470 --> 01:33:33,440
that not only has word for word closed

2286
01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:36,480
captions for the hearing impaired but

2287
01:33:44,229 --> 01:33:39,520
a very very careful translation

2288
01:33:48,229 --> 01:33:44,239
spanish language it will be available

2289
01:33:49,990 --> 01:33:48,239
in a streaming form soon but being me

2290
01:33:51,510 --> 01:33:50,000
in putting it together i was hyper

2291
01:33:54,950 --> 01:33:51,520
focused on what i was doing

2292
01:33:58,149 --> 01:33:54,960
and a certain technical aspect

2293
01:34:00,149 --> 01:33:58,159
of production i completely

2294
01:34:02,070 --> 01:34:00,159
forgot about and i'm now paying the

2295
01:34:06,149 --> 01:34:02,080
price for it which is

2296
01:34:08,950 --> 01:34:06,159
that of the images that i borrowed from

2297
01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:08,960
god knows how many sources a number of

2298
01:34:12,870 --> 01:34:09,280
them

2299
01:34:16,149 --> 01:34:12,880
are owned by archives by individuals

2300
01:34:18,149 --> 01:34:16,159
um if you do this kind of research you

2301
01:34:19,590 --> 01:34:18,159
get familiar with the getty archive and

2302
01:34:22,070 --> 01:34:19,600
this one and

2303
01:34:24,149 --> 01:34:22,080
the next one and there are modest fees

2304
01:34:26,390 --> 01:34:24,159
that often need to be paid

2305
01:34:27,430 --> 01:34:26,400
for usage even in a small project like

2306
01:34:31,189 --> 01:34:27,440
this

2307
01:34:33,110 --> 01:34:31,199
and as we were about to release it

2308
01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:33,120
one of my executive producers the great

2309
01:34:36,790 --> 01:34:34,560
jennifer stein

2310
01:34:38,390 --> 01:34:36,800
responsible for the terrific

2311
01:34:40,950 --> 01:34:38,400
award-winning feature-length

2312
01:34:42,790 --> 01:34:40,960
real world documentary travis the true

2313
01:34:46,070 --> 01:34:42,800
story of travis walton

2314
01:34:48,629 --> 01:34:46,080
reminded me that i needed to chase down

2315
01:34:49,910 --> 01:34:48,639
the possible ownership of every single

2316
01:34:52,310 --> 01:34:49,920
image i used

2317
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:52,320
being me i didn't even keep a master

2318
01:34:57,350 --> 01:34:54,000
file of them

2319
01:35:00,550 --> 01:34:57,360
and so i am now still in the process

2320
01:35:03,830 --> 01:35:00,560
of going through every single image

2321
01:35:04,310 --> 01:35:03,840
that i use finding out if it is owned or

2322
01:35:06,709 --> 01:35:04,320
in the

2323
01:35:07,910 --> 01:35:06,719
public domain and with great

2324
01:35:09,430 --> 01:35:07,920
embarrassment

2325
01:35:12,550 --> 01:35:09,440
adding a great deal of time to the

2326
01:35:14,550 --> 01:35:12,560
release of what i think is

2327
01:35:16,709 --> 01:35:14,560
something i'm very proud of and

2328
01:35:19,189 --> 01:35:16,719
something that will fascinate

2329
01:35:21,109 --> 01:35:19,199
anybody interested in american history

2330
01:35:24,149 --> 01:35:21,119
in the ufo phenomenon

2331
01:35:27,350 --> 01:35:24,159
or a ripping good story involving

2332
01:35:29,189 --> 01:35:27,360
a lot of extraordinary people and

2333
01:35:30,709 --> 01:35:29,199
one of the great self-made mans of the

2334
01:35:33,910 --> 01:35:30,719
20th century

2335
01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:33,920
and his tragic um

2336
01:35:41,189 --> 01:35:37,920
death um so i will let you know ryan

2337
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:41,199
as soon as it is all kosher

2338
01:35:45,750 --> 01:35:44,159
and that it is streaming on a platform

2339
01:35:47,910 --> 01:35:45,760
and at that point i hope

2340
01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:47,920
um a lot of your viewers will want to

2341
01:35:51,590 --> 01:35:48,800
see it

2342
01:35:53,669 --> 01:35:51,600
absolutely hey the great hunt begins as

2343
01:35:55,669 --> 01:35:53,679
it always does to track down the uh

2344
01:35:56,870 --> 01:35:55,679
the copyrights i know that all too well

2345
01:35:59,590 --> 01:35:56,880
my friend trust me

2346
01:36:01,189 --> 01:35:59,600
but uh we did do a two-part series on

2347
01:36:02,070 --> 01:36:01,199
summer in the skies where peter walked

2348
01:36:03,990 --> 01:36:02,080
us through

2349
01:36:05,350 --> 01:36:04,000
the life and career of james forrestal

2350
01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:05,360
so i highly suggest

2351
01:36:08,709 --> 01:36:06,960
people go back in the archives check

2352
01:36:11,430 --> 01:36:08,719
that out yeah but

2353
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:11,440
you have to see this video version that

2354
01:36:15,430 --> 01:36:12,800
peter's compiled i

2355
01:36:17,109 --> 01:36:15,440
saw in early screening of it and it was

2356
01:36:19,109 --> 01:36:17,119
it just blew me away so

2357
01:36:21,270 --> 01:36:19,119
i mean i can't think of a better way to

2358
01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:21,280
end this amazing conversation

2359
01:36:25,189 --> 01:36:22,960
peter than hearing all about your new

2360
01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:25,199
endeavors and what's to come

2361
01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:26,880
you know that's what we always look for

2362
01:36:30,310 --> 01:36:28,560
what comes next so exactly

2363
01:36:32,790 --> 01:36:30,320
um i will leave you with this my man

2364
01:36:35,189 --> 01:36:32,800
while we we continue to search

2365
01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:35,199
for answers somewhere in the skies

2366
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:36,960
meanwhile here on earth

2367
01:36:40,390 --> 01:36:39,679
we have peter robbins so i have to thank

2368
01:36:42,310 --> 01:36:40,400
you brother

2369
01:36:43,430 --> 01:36:42,320
for once again joining us on summer in

2370
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:43,440
the skies

2371
01:37:24,830 --> 01:36:53,690
my pleasure ryan

2372
01:37:26,510 --> 01:37:24,840
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